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While the outside might be viewed as conservative, it is important to remember all the tricks that might be in store on the inside.

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As I indicated, I had a hunch they had a trick up their sleeve: killer interior feature.

http://www.km77.com/marcas/chrysler/2007/voyager/gra/36.asp

You have to give DCX credit, minivan fan or not.

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While the outside might be viewed as conservative, it is important to remember all the tricks that might be in store on the inside.

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...saw this on Autoblog....

http://www.autoblog.com/2006/12/18/chevy-s...libus-new-face/

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"Lift kit" is an intentional exageration to make a point.  Settle down and quit resorting to insults.  Election season is officially over - let's try to get back to a state of decency.

Yes, I am referring to wheel well gap.  All of GM's vehics have a huge wheel gap - including the Corvette.  Ask *ANY* 4th gen owner how they feel about the huge gap in wheel wells.  The terms "lift kit" or "4x4" appearance have been around for years with the Camaro guys.  I happen to be one of those Camaro guys and Vette guys.

It is just a styling consideration that I think GM has grossly overlooked.

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IIRC, the reason GM has such pronounced wheel openings is for tire chains in areas with very inclimate weather: Canada and Alaska among them.

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And how many DTS competitors still have a 4-speed automatic today? That's more to the point.

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4-Speed auto in your flagship vehicle? Truly pathetic. Lexus will serve their flagship LS460 with an 8-speed auto. Wake up, slumbering giant.

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I wouldn't call it pandering to koreans but MT lost it when they named the Ridgeline the truck of the year....

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MT lost it when they named the 1991 Chevy Caprice Classic as the Car of the Year.

time will prove the sonata is still a poseur car that will not last much beyond 5 years.

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It won't last beyond 5 years I agree. Because it will be all-new again in 5 years.

will your sonata get 5 star side imapct ratings WITHOUT its side airbags?

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A moot point as SAB is standard in the Sonata. Something that, say, Malibu cannot claim.

the sonata is ugly and looks like a bloated 98 escort.  it does have more power, but they are already having engine issues with that car.  the 500 has outstanding steering feel and a great firm ride with very good bump control.  its eerily quiet at times on the road.  its built damn solid and has a level of refinement that has been prised by owners and critiques alike.  you can easily (if you had driven one) imagine the 500 feeling composed at speeds of 100+ mph all day.  the interior of the sonata made me gag.  its an ugly piece of crap the media is putting up on a throne.  i cannot imagine wanting to be seen in a posuer brand sedan that pretty much telegraphs to the world that you are a cheap ass and have no desire to own anything besides a cut rate product.  The sonata reminds me of selling a car at a 'dollar store'.  The LaCrosse and Impala are much more desirable cars IMHO than the Sonata.  seriously, you want a car that will last more than 3 years, right?  then don't get the sonata!  If you are going to get a Sonata, just skip it and get the Altima, Accord or Camry you really feel you should have.

The Sonata is a forgettable piece.  there is nothing about the sonata that is stylish, or instills a desire to own.  Please use a real example next time.  I swear, if that's the best you can do, I'll send the folks from the looney bin over to pick you up.

The Impala is a far more desirable car than the tin can sonata.  they should be seeling sonatas at walmart, that's the environment those pos's belong in.

the fusion makes the sonata dated already and the sonata just came out.

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Sorry, can't let this one go by without comment.

Have you seen Hyundai's quality? Have you heard about Sonata's crash test results? Have you heard about their warranty? Have you heard about their pricing?

All of the above are near or best-in-class.

This type of uninformed commentary was probably the same type that some said about Honda and Toyota 30 years ago and Hyundai accelerated faster. Soon China will be here too.

GM needs to start building 'no excuse' vehicles. Their vehicles are good but there is always a "but". The 2007 Escalade interior is better "but" look at the door trim panels: 1990 GM design. Not cohesive with the rest of the interior. Corvette: lots of power "but" its a pushrod engine. Not many present day world class sports cars with OHV, are there? STS: nice rig "but" it looks way too much like a CTS. If a consumer is shelling out another $10-30k, I want it to look like it.

In short, Hyundai is another car company that is passing GM because I feel that GM has the same view as yours.

The emporer has no clothes.

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Any way you cut it, this is the worst day for GM, *ever*.  :(

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I would argue that there have been plenty of bad GM days. Mid 1970's forward have been pretty bad. It's not like GM has not had time to work out it's issues. They have had over 30 YEARS to mend it's woes.

GM is going to shrivel up into a shadow of its former self.

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GM already is a shadow of its former self.

And a big congratulations goes out to the UAW for making this possible.
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You can't place the sole blame on the UAW. GM needs to build world class vehicles that consumers actually want to buy(without artificial demand).

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