texasred

Olds stood for cutting edge technology. That's been handed off to Saturn. Olds stood for clean, international styling. Saturn's picked up on that. Olds stood for upscale refinement. Again, that's now Saturn.

...I figure more than likely Saturn will be the division that will be the purveyor of that technology (though I prefer not to get the piggish new Vue).

Have you seen/driven any Saturns? Cut-rate, shoddily made 1990s Toyotas. And have you taken a good look at the new Saturn Sky? Even on the showrooom floor, 3 out of 4 have wrinkles in the convertible top.

I'll agree that GM put the Olds division and Olds dealers against the wall in the 80s in preparation for their eventual demise. It was a very deliberate path. Read "Racing to the Past" and "Project 2000" for the real back story. You can even see the handwriting on the wall in the deliberately non-controversial "Setting the Pace".

I haven't seen anything in GM that actually means upscale styling, innovation or refinement in a long time. We waited on a new car for months to drive the Buick Lucerne. Just another rental car. That's why we bought a Dodge Charger. And I'll keep my 71 Cutlass Convertible until they pry the drivers seat from my cold, dead ass.

C.J.

I will not buy a GM car in the forseeable future because:

1. They killed Oldsmobile to dump more money into...SATURN???

2. They just don't get it. Get what? Name it: SUVs, electric cars, nostalgia cars (that Camaro is just sad), blaming the unions because they build cars nobody wants...

C.J.