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I used the 150 HP penalty as a mark that I know was true on a car we built. It did use some stock performance drivelines from the 80's so I would expect some of the new computer active systems today to much rob less power.

AWD fan till I saw the Vette was going over 600 HP and know the performance gains in acceleration and braking are more important to this car than going 220 MPH.

I realize all of the benefits of AWD and I'm a huge fan of it. The only think I couldn't wrap my mind around is you said your car had a 150hp penalty by having AWD. Which I still don't really get. Especially to the tune of a 2 second deficit in the 1/4. Besides, if you went RWD on it, you'd need slicks to get it to hook up anyway.

The 32 Ford we have at work has a Syclone front drive and ZR rear. It is good for 3 sec 0-60 times but the front drive limits the 1/4 mile to 12 sec. The front drive pulles 150 HP to drive it.

With out the drive shaft to the front it will run 10's. This is with an engine just under 600 HP Linginfelter SBC on the dyno.

I don't understand the logic behind this. I can run my Tahoe at the track in 2wd drive Vs 4wd and see almost identical times. I can run my Jeep SRT the same way and get similar results with the exception of limited traction in 2wd so it would actually be slower in 2wd.

Many cars have awd and don't get a performance hit (especially of 2 seconds). And it certainly doesen't "steal" 150 horsepower form anywhere. If anything, it allows you to put all 600 horsepower to the ground.

Sorry, I just had to comment on this when I saw it.

Really the Vette doesn't need over 500 hp, it is plenty fast in Z06 form.

Sacrilege!!!! Who ever heard of such a thing.

Granted, going over 500 with only the rear wheels is wasting power, but if a strong - lightweight AWD system were available, I'd be on it in a heartbeat. RWD is at the limits with the power being produced today. Plenty of supercars have AWD and IMO, the penalty you get in weight is made up by the amount of power you can dump in and the extra grip AWD offers.

As the owner of a 2006 Magnum SRT 8, I can say that we over at LXForums.com are questioning the fate of this car. All sales are down a bit, but the Magnum overall seems to be dying. I guess I should plan on keeping mine for a while in case it becomes a collector's item.

Most of us agree on the probability of killing off lots of the Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep models too.

http://www.lxforums.com/board/lx_sales.php?

I'd love to see AWD. RWD is a huge limiting factor for me getting the hard launch.

I'd have to take issue with your statement.

Trans Am WS6, Stock: 0-60: 4.9 secs, 1/4 mile: 13.4 secs

Charger SRT8, Stock: 0-60: 5.0 secs, 1/4 mile: 13.5 secs

Magnum SRT8, Stock: 0-60: 5.1 secs, 1/4 miles: 13.6 secs

Not a big difference, but a difference, none the less.

I guess my issue was more with the "ass wiping" comment as it was so gracefully put. I have no doubt the WS6 is in the same realm as the SRT-8s. I do have an issue with a stock one putting a beating on an SRT-8. I have been to the track many times with Mustangs, GTOs and F-Bodies (of which I am a previous owner BTW), and every time, the SRTs are edging out the others stock-for-stock. Of course, nothing I say here will change anyone's opinion - and heck, I'll probably buy the next CTS-V. But until someone shows me different, I can only believe what I've seen.

I wipe my @$$ with SRT's all the time.

Congratulations. I'll assume if that's your Trans-Am, it's pretty well modded. If not, I'd have to take issue with your statement.

I do the same with lots of other cars. As for oyur initial post - Not too many cars from the factory can do what ours do at this price point, heavy or not.

P.S., it's also nice to load up the family or 3 friends for a comfy road trip.

Probably... The thing is going to weigh 4000+ lbs... It'll get it's ass whipped by just about everything.

I gotta step in here as a newbie and a Magnum SRT-8 owner and say I or anyone I know with SRT-8s rarely get whipped by anything. We run a tick over 13 seconds in the 1/4 with a 2500 ft D/A... right off the showroom floor. The only problem I have with the LXs is their limited tuning abilities. Even so, I rarely lose a race.

P.S. The Challenger will be quite a bit lighter than our current pigs.

In case you care - I may be coming back to GM once I get a better look at the next CTS-V.