Croc

It's just a shame the interior is not completely up to par.

Understatement.

Ummm...so all you gotta do is say something like "sorry, which idea were you referring to again? I told you several and I'm not quite sure which one you mean" That forces him to describe it, so hopefully you sorta remember what you said...

You are violating the terms of service of this site. Expect to be banned very soon.

Yea, I just hear Baltimore can be pretty dicey. I'm thinking though that it won't be much different from South Central.

Yea, GEO is dead as doornails. It should stay that way. Anyone wanting it back wants it simply for the novelty and not for any sound, logical reason.

No, actually that's my grad party. Maybe the 4th week.

So when are you getting -- oh wait, that's right... you're not legal to get married yet!

Ouch...except he can go to some states...wasn't Reichen married to his Amazing Race partner Chip?

...take a chill pill there, buddy. It's OK...you can have your opinion too.

It failed because it was ineffective.  Now add that to an already ultra-low self esteem--I find it almost humorous now but the words out of my mouth were, "God, I can't even do THIS right!"

You're lucky. Damn lucky. So I take what I said back...basically, I'm here because I rationally realized that it would hurt the people closest to me more than I could bear...you're just here because you happen to be lucky.

The STS interior certainly doesn't look or feel upscale at all...the mismatching colors, sharp plastic corners, and general lack of soft-touch materials of any kind make it seem very cheap. The only thing the STS has going for it is its performance.

Hey, I actually went through with it once and it failed--that wasn't exactly rational.  Other times I was more rational.

Did it fail because it just was ineffective, or because at the last minute you "came to your senses" so to speak and realized you weren't ready to die? The vast majority of people who attempt suicide have a last-minute change of heart.

Who said anyone is a hero?  You can be brave or couragious with something, but not necessarily a hero.

I did not say "hero"; I said "heroic." Bravery, courage, strength, resolve, determination...all are words that are often used together and in terms of something heroic...and yet I would never use those words to describe a suicide.

As for "bravery" to suicide.. I can understand that... some truly feel although it's the hardest thing they'd ever do, they have to--that it'd be better for other people if they were gone.

I still disagree. You start using "bravery" and that leads to calling suicide "heroic." Sorry, that doesn't fly with me.

I believe anyone could understand we're talking "first-hand" experience with suicidal attempts and thoughts.

But see that's just it...you're here because you rationally realized it just wasn't a good option, would hurt the people around you, a permanent end to a less-than-permanent set of circumstances...but my point is that for the people who actually go through with it...they are beyond rational thought and truly think it's the best solution. Obviously you and I weren't so far gone that we went through with it. See my point? Suicide is cowardly...but you can't always hold people responsible for it...especially if they are mentally unstable. Like...the CEO of a major corporation who blows his brains out when the SEC starts investigating........coward. The person who hits a hard patch in life.......could go either way. The dude on Prozac for the past six years and therapy bills that are higher than the gas spending........yea prolly can't hold him responsible.

I agree...it removes one's burden of pain by transferring it to everyone else, with those who cared the most hurt the most.

Oh.. and did anyone else notice that the nobs on the radio look a little different?  Look closely.  You'd see that they have a more premium appearance.

I thought so! I'm not that familiar with the corporate units though so I wasn't sure, but they did look very nice...nicer than I remembered.

Exactly. From a usability standpoint, this is a huge, well-overdue, upgrade.

Last time I checked...if y'all are posting on here, you don't know it "first-hand" since you aren't deceased.

With all due respect...how is there a "bravery" to suicide?

And to clarify so false assumptions are not made, yes depression has been battled, and yes ol' Croc has had friends who were suicidal. So no, Croc isn't just talking out of his butt.

I honestly think you should reserve your judgement until you see it in person.  If you have...then nevermind.

I find the front to be very blocky and awkward-looking. Every other angle is fine, but that face is just...incongruent with the other Saturns. Honestly, the grille is the only similarity to the rest of the Saturn lineup...The Euro Saturns are much more graceful looking.

just not built with the same precision and material quality.

I am so jealous of you for having the first hand experience of sitting in its production interior. Tell me, are the 2nd row seats too low?

The interior doesn't break any new ground whatsoever, except that it is a GM interior that matches or exceeds the competition. It also uses colors other than various shades of beige and gray (teal? who'd have thought!)

Sad thing indeed to witness. This is why have to be careful what we say to people in our daily lives and online. You never know who you are talking to and how they will take things.  People do not realize the power of their words and the impact they have. That is why they say do not go to bed angry and tell your loved ones how much you love them.

But if someone is already that mentally ill and unstable it does not even matter. I remember reading about someone who became extremely depressed and thought his dog hated him because the dog walked past him one morning without being affectionate. Those kinds of thoughts are just mental illness. They are not rational, and therefore cannot be dealt with rationally.

I'm with ocnblu...suicide is cowardly and selfish...it is running away and giving up instead of being a fighter. That said...because of the mental illness aspect, one cannot always hold someone responsible for his/her actions.

I'm definitely gonna roadtrip to Maryland/DC sometime this summer...just gotta pick a good weeekend.

I've never hit an animal, knock on wood, but I can't stand driving over a roadkill carcass.

I'd do it, yea...I'll try just about anything once...which is why my dim sum bill came to $65 last weekend

I think this interior is fine for a base 9-3. It looks good, and it still looks like a "techy" interior. The radio is very well integrated and doesn't look shoved in. The climate controls and it go together nicely that it doesn't look like they were 'retrofitted." Honestly? Even the non-NAV center stack is interesting to look at and doesn't have acres of gray plastic. It doesn't look sparse, yet doesn't look cluttered...a flaw of the last one. This is a very user-friendly interior. No crazy sea of buttons. The wood trim is very nice and the entire thing just looks Scandinavean. It works. Frankly, the last version of the interior looks stuck in a time warp. This is an interior done right: visually appealing, functional, and stylish. Let's just keep our fingers crossed that the materials quality is up to snuff...