FireStorm

I don't count alcohol (yeah, I like it) and tobacco (I like occasional nice cigars and hooka), so I voted "No, I'm sober."

same as above for me.... though i'd add the occasional social cigarette to that list...

hookahs rule

first year, it'll be a 3.9L v6 making close to 250hp, priced around the same as a base v6 mustang

and there will be a 6.2L v8 making close to 450hp, priced around the same as a base Mustang GT

and there will be a 3.6L, Direct Injected, DOHC v6 making over 300hp, priced somewhere between the above

one or two years later, there will be a V8 making over 500hp, priced a bit less than a Shelby GT500

mark my words

there is a video of the report on their site.. go here

http://abcnews.go.com/

click Video in the menu on the left...

Then Science and Technology

Then about the 4th one down "Automakers showcase...."

this is just some concept designed by an italian dude.. i guess if it's a hit they'll consider it for the design of the next mustang.. but i doubt there's any plans for that at the moment

that said, i do like the front end.. the whole roof glass thing kinda makes it look wierd.. having the windshield blend into the roof like that.. i'm not sure if i like it or not

i like the interior, with the exception of the horse hide seat inserts..

the rear is kinda funky looking..

it certainly looks better than the current production mustang.. but i still think it's not as good as the Camaro Concept imo

what kinda power are we talking about here.. the Tiburon has always been a prety good looking car.. but sucked in the power department

wow, great noise.. Peter Cullen IS Optimus Prime..

thankfully his voice hasnt changed much in the last 20 years.. here he is narrating a World of Warcraft trailer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKJmMLTxlCw

I highly doubt they would ever sell 165K per year. Coupes just don't sell anymore for some unkown reason. Now if it was a new Toyota Crossover vehicle, then sure. Hopefully 165K reflects a certain time period so that GM does make this car. Does anybody have any specs on the car or know a target price? What are the other lower end engines going to be besides the top 6.0 liter LS2? Curbweight etc. One thing for sure that will kill this car before it even hits the streets is a high price tag, too long of a delay of introduction and low production. Remember the T-Bird? If I were GM, I would very closely follow the Mustang formula for this car to succeed.

there's another interview of Bob Lutz out there, don't have the link handy.. where he says "100-150" to make it profitable.. 100, now that's a reasonable number

If you watch the podcast (or the video) on Lutz's blogsite, the number that came out of his mouth is 100k to 150k per year.  It's about 2/3 through the interview. 100k sounds like a more realistic goal. hmm, since it's not approved yet, I guess the business case may still be in a bit of flux?

that's a different interview.. the one most of we are talking about is the one done by whats her name, right after the reveal, during the original GMTV feed

2 of last 13 years did camaro and FB combined top that 160k annual mark.  only 2 of 13.  and that's during many of the years mustang was unappealing. 

I honestly think Lutz meant 160,000 totalover like 3-4 years

well, that could be because the 4th gens were not practical cars.. not appealing to the masses, only to the enthusiest.. that was part of the problem..

the mustang was more appealing to a lot of people, a smaller car, more comfortable seating position, easier to get in and out of, an actual trunk....

i did a little research.. it wasnt easy because there are a lot of conflicting numbers.. but the conflicts arent large, i usually chose the larger of the two if a certain year had conflicting numbers.. i just wanted to see the camaro and firebird sales, vs mustang sales.. and total fbody sales vs mustang sales..

interestingly enough, the average yearly sales for the fbody is higher than for the mustang..

http://home.comcast.net/~builder228/stuff/...rproduction.htm

I have always liked the side crease where it bumps up over the rear wheel....it's become such a Challenger cue.

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everything i read says this is gonna go into production in 2008.. that probably means 2009 model year.. it will beat the camaro by at most a few months..

best case scenario for the camaro.. the solstice went to production in 19 months.. do that for the camaro and it could be out by 3rd quarter 07.. wouldnt that be somethin.. i doubt that'll happen though

Both DC cars together sold about 160k and the sedan outsells the coupe about 2 to 1, I think.  I agree with what other people have said here that as long as that 160k includes other cars, then it is a no brainer.  If they expect 160k from the various individual cars, they will be hard pressed.  The $30k+ coupe market is dormant right now.  Think of all the great cars that have passed on (Eldo, Mark VII, Fbod, etc).  The only real one left is the Stang and with the market all to itself it only bearely breaks 160k/yr.  But as much as we fantasize, the 300 hp, V8, coupe market is in a coma. 

Now with sedans, we are easily talking 250k units per year.

sure the 30k+ coupel market is dormant.. but this camaro wont cost that much, at least not the base model.. the V6 or whatever the base model is, is probably gonna be low 20s.. that is what's gonna generate the big sales.. the v8 model, if priced similar to the GTO will outsell the GTO hugely.. based on styling alone.. whos to say with these two big RWD 2+2 coupe concepts coming out, it won't wake up the market? optimism

That volume number seems way off, I find it hard to believe that nearly an entire assembly plant's production would be needed to make it viable.  Are you sure on those numbers??

that's what Bob Lutz said..

those production numbers are camaro only though, the market who bought the firebird could easily move over to buy this new camaro.. anyone have firebird production numbers? or total fbody production?

if the buzz is good enough, this thing can sell 160k.. it is entirely possible.. RWD? no problem, look how popular the chrysler LX cars are.. coupe? coupes are huge among the younger crowd.. what self respecting single guy would get a sedan over a coupe?.. with 30mpg highway, you really can't complain about it being a gas hog..

i can see this thing selling quite well, i believe the market is there, it just needs to rise above the competition not only in straight line performance, but in fit, finish, quality, comfort, etc.. it can be done.. this can be a better car, and thus a better seller than the 4th gen.. optimism..

the 4th gen f-body was also not a practical user friendly car, with a lot of aged engineering that had been used for 20 years.. .. this thing should, if they do it right, be a lot more consumer and user friendly, easier to get in and out of, bigger back seat, etc.. not to mention better ride and handling, and an design that many will find appealing.. i don't doubt that this thing will outsell both fbodies top 4th gen numbers, alone

i'm 100% sure that the 160k mentioned is how much it will have to sell to be make a profit over it's lifetime, not year to year

the Challenger concept looks OK.. i like the front.. don't really like the taillights.. the interior is good.. it's a shame that even though it's on a shorter wheelbase, its longer than it's LX sister cars the 300C and Magnum.. wider too.. this thing is huge, gonna be heavy i bet

Is there any chance of it being an 08 model available 07?

I get goosebumps everytime I watch that teaser

same here, and that's only been 4-5 times

under da hood

i'd say that's a bit more.. um.. userfriendly than the 4th gen :AH-HA_wink:

wow, anyone catch that underhood shot? looked like an LSx to me.. and not under the Cowl!!.. easy access baby ..

i got a screen cap of it, are we allowed to post screen caps of that video?