zabolots

Yesterday's was classic as well

With auto sales in the crapper for the past 6-9 months (and likely to continue) the number of low-mileage used vehicles for sale in the coming year(s) will be much less than what we saw during the boom years.

... and the point of getting funds from Washington would be? I thought the point of asking for funding is to AVOID bankruptcy. If GM is 'forced' into bankruptcy, why get the bridge loan? Am I missing something?

Because only the gov't would be willing to provide debtor-in-possession financing. No bank would touch GM with a 10-ft pole during this economic crisis.

Greenspan was a major contributer to the mess we're in now so I automatically question his judgment...... but he's still right in this case.

That's exactly what I was going to write...

The CTS is selling well without any incentives

If this were true then I don't think it would be offered as part of the program. Obviously sales must have slowed quite a bit.

Even with the discount, the new CTS (in the form I'd want) is still too pricey for me unfortunately

What's not to like?

Are you kidding? How about not liking the fact that this country's piss-poor fiscal policies which have ruined the value of the dollar are allowing foreigners to swoop in and buy more and more companies, real estate, etc. American pride used to mean something but now that the finance guys run this country it's all about making a buck. This country has sold it's soul and most people are too stupid or oblivious to notice or care.

It makes me sick.

The 55 new Pontiacs purchased by members since the 98 model year were purchased by just 25 of the 52 responding members.

Brand loyalty. If only GM would allow Pontiac to focus on it's core values of affordable performance, just imagine the possibilities. Rather than driving people away from the brand they could actually attract new buyers...

I like the wheels on that 'Bird. You don't see that style much anymore. Does anyone know what you'd call these? Dish?

Pontiac called them Turbo wheels. They were on the 79 10th Anniversary cars in cast aluminum (shown) and on the 1981(?) Indy Pace cars painted white.

Unless GM puts their cars on a serious diet nobody is going to be satisfied with the "performance" of a vehicle with these tiny little engines. Who the hell is going to feel comfortable getting onto a highway in a car that takes 15 seconds to get up to 60 MPH?

I hope the G8 ST makes it here before they completely ruin the brand.

Too late

1. 2000 Grand Prix GTP, 2005 Grand Prix GXP

2. Interested in G8 GT once Bluetooth is available

Simply adding DI and then downsizing the V8 to maintain today's power levels would be a great way to keep V8's relevant. No turbos needed IMO.

I've always liked the Crue but Vince Neil's whiny-ass voice has always bugged me. The other three guys can really lay down some solid music but I'm not a Vince Neil fan. I'm probably one of the few that liked the album they did with John Corabi on vocals.

I'm surprised that I keep reading about people being able to feel when AFM toggles ON/OFF. I've got a Grand Prix GXP with AFM (formerly DoD) and I can never tell when it toggles. I guess it's probably due to AFM in the G8 kicking in while in lower gears (3-6 I believe) while on the GXP I believe it was only in 4th (top) gear.

going on a diet is a good thing for sports cars..

It's a good thing for MOST cars, especially those sold by GM. The new cars are great but damn they're heavy.

At least they've acknowledged the problem and are starting to address it when designing new cars.

not so easy to just make a cute little start up and start building something that only mega companies have been able to sustain.

i find it hilarious and amusing.

I find it a bit comical as well. All the greenie-weenies were up-in-arms when they announced the car, saying stuff like "the big 3 just don't want to create efficient cars, even a small startup can do it if they want to."

Well, it turns out, it's not as easy as they thought, now, is it??

Doesn't Pontiac usually announce new models at the Chicago show? Maybe we'll see the ST in Feb.

Looks like a nice, low-cost alternative to the M45.

Damn, the new CTS is awesome but too expensive for me

cts costs 10 grand + more

That's the key for me. Personally, I'd rather have the CTS w/3.6DI and that stunning interior but I just can't justify the add'l expense.

And those wheels are STILL hideous.

I kinda like 'em. Not as nice as the HSV wheels on the gray show car, but personally I think those were a great design but too big. I don't really like anything over 18-19 inches on cars.

He isn't an engineer he is a marketing guy.

http://www.cheersandgears.com/forums/index...8&hl=HHR+SS

Just because he's a marketing guy doesn't mean he's wrong. Perhaps the author of your referenced article simply made the same assumption you did due to the similar HP numbers, who knows.

I don't know for sure, but I do know that I haven't seen anything official from GM that states that the motor is 2.0L or has direct injection, only that it is turbo'd, intercooled and puts out 260HP.

http://jalopnik.com/cars/turbocharged-for-...ness-289483.php

The HHR SS combines all of the style and capability of the popular HHR family with uncompromising performance, including a turbocharged and intercooled engine that produces 260 horsepower (194 kW), unique exterior styling and an SS-specific interior.

The Solstice GXP/Sky RL motor is a 2.0 DI Turbo, as all the press releases state for the HHR SS. It IS a transverse application of the Solstice/Sky motor.

(check at the 1min 10sec mark)

I saw Ed Peper on one of the launch vids state that this is the Ecotec 2.4L turbo, not the 2.0L DI turbo. It's NOT a transverse application of the Solstice/Sky motor.