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So, is this an RS/SS since there is chrome trim around the tail lamps?

Theodore Roosevelt on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN

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Well, then apparently i'm NOT an American... (I've almost nailed the assimilation part, but if anybody askes "I'm an Armenian, born in Mexico, and living in the US," and in case you are wondering I am a citizen of 2/3's of North America)

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>>"Why not go take their jobs, so that none are left to offer them?"<<

With no taxes to pay and a 3rd world economic history, they take whatever pay they're offered and don't even think about protesting. Are you willing to underbid them? When presented with quality work done right, and 1/2 the labor cost, which do you think too many employers go for?

Unlike the theory in the car industry, here 'more competition' is only lowering the bar, not raising it. It's not 'work Americans won't do', it's 'work Americans can't do for 40 cents on the dollar'.

Totally agree with everything, except the "it's work Americans can't do" part. Here's my "Something that really pisses me off:" if somebody is unemployed and homeless, and has been for a while, then wouldn't they be more then happy to get a job? (I figure the answer is no, considering they probably make a lot more begging.)

Anyway... the funny thing about this thread is, I ALSO CAN'T STAND areas that have been overrun by one race to the point that it might as well be a little chunk of their homeland. I just feel like this thread started out with all the WRONG arguments, and nobody has really offered solutions. And when I did offer anything, all I heard back (up until balthazar's post) was 'I don't have the power to do anything about it,' followed by a bunch of sarcastic remarks...

lol...say what you want, call me Archie Bunker, the fact remains this country has been run into the f@#king toilet and it's &#036;h&#33; like illegal immigration that's the reason. Yes times change, and NOT FOR THE BEST. No i will not accept it and I will not tuck my f@#king tail between my legs like you and say oh it's okay things change. This country is in so much debt and yet we hard working American CITIZEN'S have to pay more taxes while these bums come in and take all these illegal jobs working off the books and yet we still cater to them. It's a f@#king disgrace plain and simple.

Then DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! Why not go take their jobs, so that none are left to offer them? Why not take every unemployed person in the USA and make them take the jobs? Then, guess what, you'll probably see a lot less illegal aliens!

It's been 'pointed out' without example or substantiation. Sixty8 immigrated- how come he speaks English instead of just his daughter? Guy I know immigrated from the Ukraine, he learned English here. All the relatives in my family tree that immigrated ALL learned English- why didn't they fold their arms and just let their children learn it instead? Ahh, because you were talking about Mexican immigrants, weren't you? Why is there a very real difference between European immigrants & Mexican? IMO, it's because they are enabled by the bi-linguistics, so many are illegal and unwilling to risk discovery, and they are so great in number, they can exist in their own sub-communities of like enthnicities.

My grandparents (and countless other Armenians) moved from Russia, through German camps, before, during and after WWII, and they all learned English.

I moved from Mexico City, granted I was only 3, and learned English after already speaking Armenian and Spanish.

Yes, there are tons of immigrants who move to the USA and learn English...

Not everybody that does has that opportunity. Maybe they are too old. Maybe they are too poor. Maybe they move to places where English isn't needed. I know for a fact, that even if they (the older generations) never learn, the younger generations go to school and do learn.

Oh... and to DF's comment about why no labels in an Asian language... apparently there isn't a large (enough) Asian community where you live, because in the areas I frequent not only are there plazas full of Asian text, but there are markets full of products from Asia with labels full of languages from those parts.

Well, I can say that now that I've sold quite a few Escalades, I can tell you the one thing that, ironically, people buy the Escalade for, is because it is the biggest luxury SUV on the market. In this case, SIZE is one of the primary factors in the sale of the Escalade.

I've sold quite a few against Range Rover due to the fact that the RR is simply "not big enough."

Now whether this size-factor is due to true roominess, or the simple bling factor of it all, I'm not sure......but I see a move from GMT-900 to a Lambda as sure death for the Escalade name.

Lambda would have made a great, new SRX however......

Maybe from the outside it looks smaller, but I can attest to the Lambdas being waaaay more roomy and "big" on the inside. They aren't as wide as the 900's, but the way they are packaged makes them feel much longer. Maybe it's seating positions and stiff cushions, but I can't stand riding in the 2nd row of a 900.

But what I see, in SoCal, is not "predominantly Mexican areas" per se, but ENTIRE CITIES.......

Look at what happened to Santa Ana.......I think 88% hispanic population, largest city (~340,000 people) in Orange County.....and the vast majority of the city is now one big trash heap.....

At least when I go into Chinatown, or other Asian areas such as Alhambra, the San Gabriel Valley.....it still appears that the local population has pride in it's neighborhoods and does a realtively fine job of keeping them up....and they seem vibrant....etc....

Hacienda and Rowland Heights have to be up there in Asian population. Diamond Bar is up there too.

It's all about money - period.

Yup... lot's of foreigners are taking over, some are not as fortunate as other.

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We aren't just talking about the Chinese having a "Chinatown" in San Francisco, L.A., etc........the immigrant/migrant mexican population is overrunning our country....and not conforming.

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What I was referring to was not "Chinatown" etc., but similar situations to predominantly Mexican areas.

This is obviously a waste of time trying to make you see the problem, Lets keep the flood gates open and keep allowing more and more Spanish people immigrating here and NOT becoming legal citizen's and start posting more billboards in Spanish, maybe have the local news broadcasts in Spanish with English closed captioning because it's all in the "numbers".

If the USA keeps providing them jobs (that its own citizens don't want) then why wouldn't they keep taking them?

Because you fail to see the problem is what I'm laughing about. If lets say a 1/4 of the US population immigrated to Mexico, and began to put up signs in English, began playing Metallica and other "American" music till all hours of the night, started advertising in English in the Newspapers and at stores, you don't think the Mexicans would be like WTF?

Well... considering Spanish is the de facto official language, and English doesn't count as one of Mexico's indigenous languages, then... YES, they would be like WTF, and at least they would have a reason to

By the way... they love Metallica and lots of other "American" music in Mexico (at least in Mexico City).

I don't speak Spanish, my friends don't speak Spanish, nor do a lot of people I know. You guys make me laugh, I know let me go back to school so I can learn Spanish and feel more at home now. Give me a break.

What's there to laugh about? Nobody is telling you to learn Spanish, simply that you have to accept the fact that it will be used around you.

Okay, so why aren't there more Asian based advertisements based on your theory.

What theory?

There is a 5 mile stretch of the a freeway in LA (60 going through the City of Industry and Hacienda Heights) that has ONLY Chinese (I believe) text. Because you don't see it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. For living in Los Angeles and San Diego (so I take it we should translate these from Spanish too?) I see very few billboards in Spanish.

I was responding to the comment that English isnt our national language. Perhaps not officially but it's been the rule of thumb for quite some time...lol. It's more than just marketing, if that was purely the case why aren't any of the other major languages use din advertising? French, German, Italian, etc.

Because the French, German and Italian immigrants probably make up a fraction (if that) of the total number of immigrants from Asia and Spanish speaking American countries.

I live in NYC, and our national language is English, plain and simple. China town and all the take out places scattered all over the country are one thing, they are exclusive to those set areas/ stores. When I drive down I-95 and I see a billboard in entirely Spanish without a single word of English there's a difference. When I get an automated phone recording when calling any major company today and I'm asked to continue in English press 1 that pisses me off. It's very rare that the other choice(s) is something more than Spanish. That's a fact. Everyone I've ever met in my entire 26 years on this planet that was born and raised here speaks English. They may speak other languages at home with family...but that English is still what they speak in public and understand it is the language of this country. My family still speaks Italian at home, but when they are in public they don't go around speaking Italian at the grocery stores to the clerks or asking for a manager because the coupons aren't in Italian.

I'd hope so! The argument here is that immigrants/newcomers aren't. I'm pretty sure their children are.

And as stated... the foreigners aren't advertising in their respective languages, its the people companies that want to sell more of their product.

I just clicked the link right now and it works for me so who knows what's going on. Anywho, for those of you that can't see it, it's a museum-quality restored 1969 ZL1 Camaro for $4500, e-mail only.

Link doesn't work... but it does sound like a STEAL!

I think the problem is less that people are too lazy to learn a new language (though you could argue that depending on their circumstances, there are differences in people's abilities to learn the new language), and more that groups of immigrants are becoming so large that they just don't have to. Of course, the whole "freedom of speech" thing helps to ensure that signs/advertisements/etc. can be in foreign languages...

My best friend who is Asian...his cousins and uncle recently immigrated here. They have been learning English since day one...the cousins can already speak it pretty fluently.

Excellent... come to East LA County, and I'll show you China.

This is the same argument that comes up when people comment on cars being "this and that" based on personal experience... There is always a counter-example.

As Enzora said... it usually takes a couple generations for a group/family to assimilate.

Yes, as is Canada. North America. I think gmforlife meant the US which some commonly call America.

I know... :AH-HA_wink:

By the way... there are parts of LA that are completely in foreign languages (besides Spanish), and I don't see anybody in a big fuss about that. I know first generation USA-ans (hehe) whose parents (from places other then Mexico or Central America) don't speak one word of English.

I hate spanish ads in Amierca.

Dude, try and at least spell 'America' correctly..

You also need to realize that Mexico is part of America!

Orlando, eh? I assume a Disney edition will be forthcoming....(didn't the Venture have such a trim level years ago?)

One of those vans had a Warner Brothers edition.

Not the concept, but oh well... It would be cool if the concept's styling cues make it to production in another Chevy.

Once found the Infinity Razor at a CVS, and gave it a try figuring I could always return it to the store (actually gave it to my dad as a spoof x-mas gift, and just had to try it after he told me how terrible it was). That thing was the BIGGEST PIECE OF &#036;h&#33; in the world! The only reason they can possibly claim it stays sharp forever is because it's not that sharp to begin with! My usual Mach 5 blades with 10 uses probably work better then that thing.

Looks like there is going to be some product placement on NBC...cool.

Yeah... Slater's character's alter ego drives a Traverse in the same show.

link to NBC's My Own Worst Enemy

The Camaro!

So that's why you haven't been posting, you're spending too much time enjoying your new car!

Very nice! Congrats...

English is my 2nd language too, I still prefer German over English.

It's my third, and I do just fine

Red G8 GT!