Croc

Another one:

I don't see why Croc finds porn on this site disturbing, so let me post an example of porn. :AH-HA_wink:

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Hey, nothing wrong with car porn. The only time when the porn isn't acceptable is when it's "car-less" and not appropriate for the context of the thread, something any halfway intelligent adult can figure out.

Some might find this photo disturbing.

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Nothing disturbing about that. It at least has a car in it.

I, too, prefer SUVs, but the only thing I have against wagons is the low ground clearance. So I have no problem with tall wagons. Minivan is just a dirty word that shall not be spoken.

No, this has little to do with day traders. If this were about day traders, there would be no Buick, Saturn, HUMMER, or SAAB.

the R-Class matches the latter with it's cab-forward design to maximise space. Height, wheelbase to overall-length ratios, and seating arrangments all put the R-Class in the MPV segment. More MPVs similar in size to the swb model match the R-class better than the taller American-style models you have there.

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But the minivans all end their A-pillars over the front wheel well. Pacifica and R-Class end the A-pillar before the wheel well, and the front doors seem to be in the same place, though the R-Class' wheel well flares might be throwing you off slightly?

I just don't see the cab forward like I do in the minivans. R-Class also seats 6, not 7 like most minivans.

But you're right, this is a digression and not really important.

The new Impala looks great in person! The squad car version looks pretty good, but few fleets will have the American flag on it. I want to see what they look like with "Carmel Police Dept." on them. My only complaint is that i gotta get used to a new headlight shape in my rearview mirror and in oncoming traffic.

Still though, it uses less fossil fuels. I'm definitely open to driving a hybrid, possibly the Milan hybrid due in two years.

The most disturbing thing to me about the 2006 Cadillac lineup is the lack of a RWD land yacht sedan with a hardtop greenhouse.

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but it would compete with which other car in that segment...? You might get a hardtop one day from Cadillac (doubtful), but don't count on seeing another land yacht!

I know that, and Holden was working on a 3.8L version of the engine.  I am saying that is the motor that Buick should get.  The 3.6 can be used in non-Buick brands.  The 3.8L should be a special motor exclusive to them.

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The days of exclusive engines at GM should be gone. They just add expense! No need for multiple engines that are, at their core, the same. This is part of the reason GM is in so much trouble...needless differentiation, yet they skimp on the meaningful differentiation like interior and exterior styling.

Sorry, Griff, but the R-Class is a tall wagon/crossover like the Pacifica, not a minivan. If you consider the Pacifica to be a minivan, then I guess we are just using different terminologies, but the shape of the R-Class isn't that of a minivan. Even the most avant-garde minivan, the Quest, looks like a minivan in shape, while the R-Class doesn't; it looks more like a tall wagon.

Compare:







I really think the R-Class has more in common with the tall wagon "Sports Tourer" crossover like the Pacifica than with the minivans. Also, from the pictures it looks like the minivans are taller as they seem to have massively high beltlines as well as large greenhouses. The Pacifica and R-Class have high beltlines but relatively smaller greenhouses.

Part II:
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/videos/xmaslights2.html

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That is the WORST version of a holiday medley I have ever heard in my life. Who is that singer who ruined Christmas?

OK so do we know when Enclave pics are to be released to the media? Midnight on which day?

LoL, who the hell is doing that?

Oh...uh....disturbing.

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Not referring to you.

BTW--Is Magellan the final name for the Mercury? Cuz I think it's a terrible name! Makes me think of the big, wallowy and clumsy dragon from Eureka's Castle.

Oh really?  BTW, Enclave =RX,MDX,SRX
    Acadia =Pacifica,Magellan 

Right now, it's all a matter of opinion.  I'm basing mine off of GM's statement that it wants Buick to compete with Lexus.

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His post was referring more to type of vehicle than direct competitors. I still think the Buick would compete with the Mercury though.

It all boils down to the fact that GM still doesn't have a clear brand direction for Buick.  Obviously we on these forums are confused.  Many here see Buick as more a Chrysler rival than a Lexus, and vice versa.  We need clearer indications from GM.  I think, if it'll be Lexus, then they don't need a minivan. It seems to me GM stated they wanted to chase Lexus, while Saturn would be elevated to competing with premium makes like Chrysler/VW/Honda/etc.  So, which is it?  GM should give the van to Saturn.  Buick should be a value to alternative to Lexus (as GM has publicly stated), and have a full lineup that closely mirrors their's (with three sedans, two crossovers,and the Velite, at the very least). That's what I'd like to see for Buick.

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OK wait I am very confused here. Are you talking about a minivan in ADDITION to Enclave? Because Enclave is NOT a minivan. It is a Centieme-like crossover, which CLEARLY means it isn't a minivan.

I actually like the ovoid Sable... and GM cars had the low saggy rear seats to give the illusion of adequate rear headroom--on paper.

works for me 1.0.7

Enclave isn't a minivan, though. It is a crossover. There is a place for it in the Buick lineup just like Lexus has its RX330.

Here's another:

I think it is disturbing that a certain user posts so many links to porn sites. This is a car forum, people! B)

Well for that matter, I guess the Malibu is a minivan!

The new minivan from Mercedes shows how the minivan can be reinvented for the upscale crowd.

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The R-Class isn't a minivan. It is a crossover like the Pacifica. I believe it is on the same platform as the M-Class and upcoming GL-Class, but is tuned more for boulevard cruising (read: softer) than for sporty ride and handling like M-Class and GL-Class.

Actually, redneck has very little to do with being Southern...it has to do with how the fans behave. I live in Indianapolis, and I know how racing fans behave. Just because one out of ten are black doesn't make any difference since 90% are still redneck! :P BTW--I love how they said "about 10%" are African-American because that means it is really anywhere between 9.5% and 9.9%

eh, wahtever... not like it's a contest. ... right? :blink: :lol:

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It better not be.

Indy? Yes.