G. David Felt

Well it looks like most auto's will see a 2K to 3K price increase for those that are mostly made with parts in America, but others will see a 4K to 15K price increase. Most auto companies are rushing out 2026 models early as they put the price increase there rather than anger Idiot47 by calling the tariff what it is, a taxation on Americans.

Trumps 25% Tariff Impact on the Auto Industry

@trinacriabob Seeing her here singing the song, this is so proper for our current situation.

12 hours ago, trinacriabob said:

"Don't you know you better run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run ... run"

I think she says "run" 10 times in each refrain.

For years, I though the singer was a man with a high voice.

One of a kind.

So proper for our messed up Democracy today! Awesome unique voice, I also thought it was a guy the first time I heard this song.

1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

Shooooot, his own EV9 has recalls. But you'd never know it from him. 

bEtTeR wAtCh OuT fOr Ev9's

Lucky me, the American EV9s that have been built does not affect me.

Fasteners on the second and third row chairs was not an issue, I had them torqued just fine.

Instrument cluster issue never affected me, but I got the software update and still no issue.

I do not use the smart parking assist feature nor does my wife, we got the software update fix on our last service visit.

My interior ceiling panel was not one of the affected recalled units.

Seat Belt retractor issue was also not an issue as it did not affect my EV9 as part of that recall.

Driveline differential unit was inspected and found torqued to the right spec. Not an issue.

I suspect that the reason my EV9 has not been affected by the recalls is it was part of the initial launch units which Kia spent I believe more time on making sure everything was right before shipping from Korea.

I know that a Gen 1 unit can have it's issues, but so far, been one of the most reliable autos I have owned, especially being a Gen 1 unit.

The whole point in posting about Toyota is that if @A Horse With No Name wants a Rav4 Hybrid or older ICE version, that is fine with me and his choice. I just want to point out the recalls and make sure he does his due diligence to ensure that any issues are addressed before one buy new or used.

That goes for you @ccap41 or @surreal1272 or anyone here, even @ocnblu as I would not want anyone to get a lemon or buy and have to deal with expensive repairs. No one deserves to have to deal with that.

Happy 4th to everyone as I hope you can find solitude in the destruction of our democracy.

2 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

Shall I provide a list of competing Kia recalls (including ones from MY OWN Kia Sorento) @G. David Felt? 

 

How about we start this instead? Hope you informed your friends about this on their Honda Prologue with the same "vigor" that you put out those recalls on the RVA 4.

 

https://hondanews.com/en-US/honda-corporate/releases/release-410d07897fdd63d8043cb72750086bf1-2024-honda-prologue-control-link-recall

Yes Kia has plenty of Recalls and I would NOT recommend any ICE product from them.

Honda has also had plenty of recalls, but I would actually say more reliable than Toyota in the last Decade.

The Honda Prologue I made them aware of the issue when they bought this last weekend. Overall, they are very happy with it and understand that software updates are a thing that will happen as Honda has committed to have quarterly updates. 

We will see how it goes. Overall, still loving my EV9 and how solid it has been. Yes, a few weird glitches in the software, but the latest update from Kia seems to have fixed it.

5 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Back reading this, the RAV 4 would be worth my time to consider for 2026. 

Just be careful, the quality like many has issues if you buy used especially. I have a friend who whole family has been Toyota for generations and their extended family in Mongolia has been Toyota and lately they have had issues with their Rav4's. Just traded it in on a Honda Prologue. They were tired of the repairs.

37 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Someone needs to take over the mantle of Tesla. How badly are Tesla's sales actually cratering?

Europe and China have shown huge monthly decreases in sales based on monthly recording of registrations. 

This coming Wednesday we will see the quarterly reporting worldwide for Tesla. The head of global sales has quit and left taking the blame for falling sales which should fall on Musk.

Analyst are calling for a further 11% reduction in sales by Tesla with a full year decline of 8%
Tesla quarterly deliveries seen falling again

We'll some will say it is a joke, others will say it defines the current situation of DC.

When a clown moves into a palace he doesn't become a king, the palace instead becomes a circus.
- Turkish proverb

Very cool news, Rivian is partnering with Ionna and WeaveGrid for expanded charging.

WeaveGrid and Rivian Collaborate to Deliver Advanced Grid-Integrated Charging Solutions | WeaveGrid

Rivians Will Get Seamless Plug-And-Charge At Ionna Stations

1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

Is 20% greater than or less than 64% degradation? 

If going by the story about live of the battery having 64% left based on their degradation, then that would be a 36% decrease in battery storage. I honestly do not think the battery degradation would be that great. We are also at the early stages of battery technology.

2 hours ago, ccap41 said:

I know you're put into a corner when you'll do anything to defend your EVs and your Escalade. It's tough to admit that your Escalade isn't wore out but you're trying to say 20 year old cars are all worn out at the same time. 

No tough corner, it is amazing to think you feel there is no degradation in a 20yr old ICE auto. I know that both EV and ICE wear out, battery packs will outlive the actual EV and ICE auto. 

At this point we do not have enough data to know if the EV motors will lose as much hp/torque as an ICE does over 20yrs of use and depending on how an auto is cared for it can be big changes or minimal changes.

I know my Escalade is in much better shape than most and being it is garage kept; it is out of the elements and sun just like my EV is. With that, I also know I have two oil leaks after 200,000 plus miles. The oil pan and another leak that I suspect is at the input of the transmission to the engine. Both are so minimal that the thousands it costs to repair the gaskets does not justify the expense.

I can also tell you that the response of the V8 is NOT what it was when it was new. I do not expect the EV to be the same after 200,000 miles either.

No corner here to worry about, both autos will wear out, I can also say that my Escalade does not get the 15 mpg it got new and now averages 12 mpg. A 20% decrease in MPG after 200,000 miles of use and 19 years old. With out a compression test, I could not tell you how worn the rings are, though since I have only ever used synthetic in the engine, I would have to think it is minimal as I do not burn any oil, but the overall engine has wear and tear and it is clearly tired in comparison to a new motor.

End result is as the original story stated, the EV battery pack will outlive the auto and that will outlive most ICE auto's as while we have the average age now just a little over 12yrs old, most ICE are not on the road after 20 years.

1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

Less complex auto....that needs pampering.

Keep it cool, but not cold. Don't park it outside in the heat or it will degrade faster. Look for shade, especially when charging. Don't charge it too fast, or it will degrade faster. Know what battery chemistry you have because keeping the state of charge between 20% and 80% is best, unless you have a LFP battery. LFP batteries can accept full charges and last longer, possibly. There's been a study going against that, too.  

You and everybody else here knows I like EVs. I would love a Lightning or an R1S/R1T. I'm just not going to sit and read a BS article that tries to say EV batteries last longer than an ICE, because that's not what it's saying. It isn't saying it lasts longer than an internal combustion ENGINE. The batteries can last longer than the VEHICLE. An internal combustion ENGINE will still outlast an EV's battery. 

~64% capacity after 20 years makes most anything out today worthless at 20 years old, unless you are the original owner. Nobody is buying an EV9 with ~150 miles of range in 20 years. People will still but an ICE vehicle that's 20 years old because they're almost certainly just a tune-up away from near-new running condition. 

WOW, I get it that your stuck on the 64% capacity issue. Yet the same thing can be said for ICE 

A 20-yr old auto is NOT a tune up away from running near-new running condition. Never will be and the evidence of how moisture destroys an auto that has been sitting or only run in short local driving is everywhere. From gasket leaks due to age on just about every component that has a liquid to the rings on the piston that after 20 years of running will have blow by in not holding compression and cannot make the initial HP/Toque of when the engine is new.

As one that grew up with building engines, transmissions and tune-ups on ICE, the clear evidence is both ICE and EV will still be around in 20 years, but how they work, and the power is very different. End result is the FUD that has been thrown at EVs is just that FUD as EVs is going to last just as long and in some cases could be longer as the auto industry has moved to superior insulation to avoid battery degradation, no different than how they realized heat shields play a pivotal role in maximizing the burning of unburnt hydrocarbons and how they use cats to clean up the exhaust. 

EVs batteries are already better in dealing with extreme cold and heat than earlier generation EVs and will only get better over time. In this regards the batteries will outlast most of the auto's life and still have a use which cannot be said for an ICE Motor without having to have it totally rebuilt.

I respect your choice to feel how you feel just as I feel about batteries versus ice. Have a relaxing weekend with the family.

We'll I always felt it needed to be updated, but is a Black Screen of death any better?

Microsoft kills the iconic Windows 'Blue Screen of Death.' It looks like this now | PCWorld

1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

So you're saying the source you linked to say EVs last longer than ICE, is wrong? 

No, I am saying when you look at the grand whole picture, EVs will outlast ICE.

If you follow the link on what that write up is based on and I guess I should have just done this as it has far better info, but on the extreme end of 1.8% degradation, you still get a solid output in the way the EV will drive and handle.

EV Battery Health Insights: Data From 10,000 Cars | Geotab

This gives a pretty solid picture and even they state that every year the batteries get better and better, and degradation is reduced. Picking on just a few negative points without looking at the bigger picture is just one way a person can read this, I look at it as the positive of a less complex auto lasting longer than a far more complex auto.

I feel strongly that Hybrids, while they have their place for long distant driving, is NOT the right solution for most who just drive locally and at that average 40 miles a day for commuting.

1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

What's even more ridiculous is that you basically need a climate controlled garage to really keep your battery in proper condition. So if I bought an EV without a garage, it will degrade faster than having a garage. It's a shame people buy EVs and then drive to work and park their cars OUTSITE...🙄

"Hot climates also increase battery degradation, so keep your EV in the shade if possible, especially when charging it."

That is all the problems with Nissan Leaf current generation and Tesla where you have no insulation or proper management of the battery pack. Those auto companies that have gone 800V have done their work that it is not the issue it is stated to be.

1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

No, that is not the headline. 

"EV Batteries Can Easily Outlast A Typical Gas Car’s Lifespan: Study"

What you said and what the article is about are two different things. A car's lifespan is almost always down to getting wrecked and totaled. 

"Over this generous timespan, EV batteries suffer from about 1.8% degradation per year. This means that you’ll lose 1.8% of the original range every year–not ideal, but certainly not a dealbreaker. After 20 years, if nothing goes catastrophically wrong, you can still enjoy 64% of an EV’s original range. The data comes from analyzing over 10,000 EVs." 

Oh wow, 64% battery capacity after 20 years? That makes most any EV pretty much done by 20 years. Nobody is buying an EV9 with 150 miles of range, and decreasing by the year. A 20 year old ICE vehicle still is making 90% of its total output and range. 

20yr old ICE is not making 90% of its hp/torque, those rings, transmission, gaskets, etc.  and the overall condition would have it much less than that. Most engines are having to be rebuilt by 250k miles. Yes there are exceptions of those that are well taken care of and last a million miles,l but even then, they are not producing 90% of their HP and Torque and gas mileage is not what it was new either.

Modeling of batteries is much beter than 64% also, We will have to take a wait and see attitude as electric motors have kept their output far longer than ICE motors as they age. 

I think it will come down to maintenance, garage kept versus sitting outside in the elements. Lots to be taken into account.

Further proof that EVs last longer than ICE.

EV Batteries Can Easily Outlast A Typical Gas Car’s Lifespan: Study

A shame this Nissan product is not here, it would stir excitement for their customers. I will say that the two-tone interior is nice.

We'll this tends to align with the U.S. going into a recession and the auto industry hurting.

Business optimism collapses under Trump

4 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

GM had fantastic red colors in the 1970s.

 

 

Would love a modern version of this in EV format.

23 minutes ago, trinacriabob said:

Dang ...

... airfares are high

... rental car prices are high

Since Southwest pulled the plug on the low cost model circa 5/28, their airfares are much higher, and so are the fares of the legacy carriers.

With Idiot47 Tariff war and now illegal war attack on Iran, everything is getting crazy expensive. Was interesting to see the report on tourism downfall due to the tariffs. As such, auto rental companies are raising prices and delaying new investments in rental fleets due to the slowdown. 

I feel our recession has officially begun under incompetence DC.

Awesome background music for working.

4 hours ago, ccap41 said:

What place of business has 6 to 9 months of stock on hand? If Walmart/Costco/Kroger got zero shipments starting today, their shelves would be empty so much sooner than 6 months. I cannot imagine many companies have that much inventory just sitting around. That's a lot of wasted money on their side. 

Walmart, Costco, Sams club, etc. have all stated that non-perishable items they tend to have 6 months on hand in their core warehouses. This is where even Krogers, Safeway/Albertsons, etc. have also stated that non-perishable good they keep higher inventory on hand. That makes sense to me that you would keep more stock of items that are not perishable on hand.

1 hour ago, A Horse With No Name said:

BYD is everywhere in Mexico. And honestly, I saw like 3 Teslas on the road in 3 days in Canada. 

Yes, when I went up there for a week of relaxation after my tradeshow, I noticed far less Tesla's than there used to be. Musk has clearly become toxic for Tesla and with his support of Idiot47 has turned off Canada for buying them for the most part imho.

I admit, she is lovely to look at, but her piano playing of rock songs is AWESOME!

Here is her full YouTube page. WOW, talk about some great music to listen to while working.

Margarita Sipatova - YouTube

Yea, NOT Washington State has just approved a 6 cent per gallon gas tax increase that goes into effect July 1st 2025 as supporting road projects.

• State gas tax will be 61.4 cents per gallon
• Federal gas tax is 18.4 cents per gallon

Some counties here have additional gas tax in support of the county projects. As such, looks like starting July 1st the tax on gas for Washington state will become 95 cents per gallon. CRAZY