Intrepidation

Great Linkin Park album....oh wait.....

I thought Linkin Park and Dodge had got together for some promotion when I first read the title.

The original Charger????

Again, this is why I'm sick of this car already. Every Camaro nut should just simply be happy they have a car to whine about in the first place. Where the hell were they for the past decade when GM was desperately trying to move Camaros and Firebirds? And a better question - how many of you who complain so virulently are putting your money where your mouth is and buying one when they come out? And how many of you are just going to put another 12,000 miles on your Cobalt and say "eh...maybe in a few years when there's a rebate?"

Damn you, I didn't fix the typo fast enough

Ideally, I'd like a Charger SRT-8, Camaro and a Challenger...

$50k gets you absolutely nothing in R&D and tooling. Maybe a shift knob or a window switch?

To answer specifically, I seriously doubt the vert will be hardtop vert. So that would kinda make the idea irrelevant.

Even if there were a hardtop vert, they would never put a non-functioning vert roof on a car. I'm not sure if that's what your suggesting? A roof is engineered to move or not move. Can't mix and match. That would never make it past the lawyers, much less the regulations. Also, if you want to keep costs in order, you generally want to spend your engineering dollars on one roof design. As in:

-One vert roof design (if you're going to do a vert at all)

-One hard top roof design per sedan or coupe model.

Can't have a one coupe model with a B pillar and one coupe model without. Then the business case goes to hell. However there have been cars with soft and hard top verts available. I would imagine that if you are already doing a roof that's going to move, there would be some engineering overlap to doing both. Thus, less work to do and less engineering dollars spent.

If you're suggesting they take a vert body and put sort of a hardtop "shell" on top, then you have to make structural/body changes to the car. Which means a lot of engineering dollars. Also, you'd mostl likely have to re-certify/validate the car in that configuration. Validation is a pretty expensive process. Certainly waaaaay more than $50k. Then your business case goes to hell again.

I think a lot of people underestimate how complex and expensive car building is. I know of one OEM who requires that they put tens of thousands of miles on a car just to test new ECU software. I imagine most OEM's have a similar testing procedure. The engineers salaries and cost of fuel to run the test cars for that amount time alone would be more than $50k. Imagine what it costs when the structure of the car has to be reengineered/validated.

They are referring to a fixed hardtop not a vert. Also it should be noted that if the car was designed to be built as a hardtop to begin with then there would be no need to recertify/validate it because it would be designed that way from the get-go. Still, there's no arguing that alll aspects of car building are very expensive.

Diaappointing news.

I agree with all that Balthazar posted and I will add:

- I don't see the big cost differential to do a true hardtop since this is a clean sheet design.

- You folks are underestimating the effect this will have among the Camaro faithful, 68 will not be alone there. Don't kid yourself about that.

- No, it wouldn't stop me from buying the car but it would always annoy me.

Too bad really, a true hardtop design is beautiful by nature, much more so than a B pillar coupe. And glued-in rear windows just plain suck.

I'd like to add a few counterpoints.

• The Charger pissed off the Charger faithful because it had 4 doors..which if I were so anal about such things I'd find a pillar much less offensive than 2 extra doors.
• Despite the moaning and bitching, the Charger sells very well. You're underestimating the power of design that most people will gladly pay for even if a few diehards are too anal to not buy one based on a piece of metal.
• It's a small piece of metal...
• The Camaro hasn't been revealed yet. It may or may not have a pillar

I know some of you guys are very passionate about hardtops and yes they are nice and quite distinctive...but c'mon...let's be happy we have cars like the Camaro and Challenger back.

Oh, and Sixty8...I like chocolate too...

Love the pun (or is it a play-on-words?), but I don't think this will be dodging EPA regulations at all. This will be the most advanced hybrid system in the world and will address fuel economy issues in a couple of manners that no other hybrid will:

1. It will work on the highway. Current hybrid systems lack the ability to utilize electic power while cruising. While a Prius may be rated at 50-60 mpg, it seriously fails to achieve that in everyday driving. The dual-stage will likely fall short of its stated goal too, but there will be less of a gap.

2. MPG is not the ultimate goal. There should be some rating of people-miles per gallon or utility-miles per gallon. Is it better that some idiot is flying around at 50 mpg by himself in a Prius or if there are 5 passengers in a Tahoe hybrid getting 25 mpg?

I know, it's a very impressive system that GM, Chrysler, and BMW have developed...the pun and it's components were a shot back at the "let's make fun of the Durango..even though it's using the same system the Tahoe will be using" routine.

But it's ok...because the Tahoe gets like 80 mpg anyway...rendering far superior...with it's 4 speed automatic

Lancer sales for the month were 3,860, up 263.5% compared to April 2006. This was the largest sales month for Lancer in nearly three years (May 2004).

Other April sales highlights:

Outlander closed at 2,047 units up 152.4% from last year's volume.

Endeavor sales were 1,375, up 3.4% from April 2006.

For six consecutive months - and nine of the last ten months - Mitsubishi sales have increased compared to the same month of the prior year.

LAWL

This is more proof that people will buy products if they don't suck.

Fixed B-pillar is not the end of the world. We should just be thankful the Camaro is being brought back on a modern, RWD platform, will have great engine choices and looks much like the gorgeous concept.

Besides...with the windows up a hardtop looks like it has a pillar.

I like the folding Hummer better.

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...and RUSH videos!

This one is better

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i recommend voyeurweb.com

it's free

free of spyware and viruses/safe site

not gross or demeaning

you get about 10-15 minutes in and you got enough for your fix.

real women/amateurs, not photoshopped

some trailer trash but hey we all love that sometimes

they even throw a couple guys on there for the guy guys

enjoy

98, nice prose, great stuff, but not everyone has that sort of will power or squeaky clean outlook on the world.

porn is alright in smallish doses and if it's not degrading or just flat out fake and sick. Keeps the heart healthy.

Among other things

OMG?!?!?! WTF?!?!?!?!??! RU4REAL?!?!??!?! ROTFLMAO?!?!???!?! TTYL?!?!??!?!??! BFF?!?!??!?!??! AT&T?!?!??!?!??!

This completely ruins any street cred the Camaro could ever hope to achieve and eliminates it from ever being a respectable muscle car. Furthermore, it tarnishes the history of every single Camaro ever produced ever and by extension, the history of the Firebird, too. Might as well slap a Solara badge on it and call it a day.

Oh Fly, you make me laugh so

Sixty8 is gonna $h! a brick when he reads this!

You should be more specific in the initial post dude Anyway I dunno...

I was going to say that. However they still did say that for the Lexass.

I know, but at least it's not the company as a whole.

Yay, no B3ST 3V4R!!1! BS this month...finally.

Fleet sales no doubt are a contributing factor...but it's still nice to see them up. The Jeep brands success (thanks to the new Wrangler) are a hint to Chrysler: do the vehicle right and people will buy it.

As for Mercedes...

*points and laughs*

Hey, Chrysler was up 2%. Of course fleet sales have something to do with it but at least they are up for once.

Jesus you guys are funny with some of your lists.

I'd only consider some Mariner or Sebring a "spot"

if it was shinny side up, on fire or post-explosion.

They're spots because they are new models.

That's the one. She's a sexy bitch!

I'd love to own this car. The only

modification I'd ever do would

be a 4-spd. I even love the white

walls out, they work well with the

white interior imho.

It is a sexy bitch!

I fu**ing hate PCs. Wish I had the $$$ for an Apple.

Apples suck even harder. They crash without warning, the G5's put off assloads of heat...tehir file management sucks. However I would like oen because they aren't vulnerable to viruses...so I can get...things...I can't get with a PC because the sites are unsafe.

Oh yeah, a blue Lancer GT...it looks really good.

Honestly sounds like a good idea, but what a shame the vehicles that it will be put in are ugly. One 3 of Dodge/Chrysler products appeal to Magnum R/T and SRT-8, Charger R/T, SuperBee R/T & SRT-8 and SRT-8 and the 300C SRT-8 and the 300C to a lesser extend. The PT sucks, the current minivans are better than GM's and the new Sebring is as ugly and over-priced as the last one. Alot of excitement over there, I'd say. I think it is a good idea, but the Durango to me has always been ugly and at least the Aspen is better. I could care less glad they are Dodge-ing (HAHAHAH) new EPA ratings and CAFE regulations!

Right...well by that definition GM will be "Dodge-ing" (H4H4H4H4H4H4H4H4 OMFGLOLZBBQ!1!!1!" the new EPA ratings using the same system in the Tahoe and company. Also, the PT is old now but it hardly sucks if GM decided to copy the idea.

I think the refreshed Durango is very handsome...especially the black SLT I saw.

I had to format my computer because windows self-raped itself...I was lucky to get my files off it. It's faster than ever though.

Always wanted to drive one. they are awesome, pure driver's cars.

1967 Pontiac Firebird, 326-auto.

Blue with a white interior... great condition, $12,995 obo.

Is it in Lowell by Advance Auto Parts?

Too many to list...since I haven't posted in a while

6 Edges

2 Escapes

1 Mariner

3 Sebrings

a black Charger SRT-8 (sexy on wheels!)

a blue GTO

a black MKX

7 Silverados

2 Tundras

a black Duster

a red Silverado SS

a yellow Cobalt SS

2 IS's (I got to ride in one)

Wow that's a beauty of a car, congratulations on your journey and your new car!