Intrepidation

Bah! I wanted to see it, but the BBC had it taken down.

It's back up, enjoy!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=aQH5r0hhiqA

saturn does not have a dealer network large enough to have a significant impact on chevy sales.

if i were you, i'd be scared to death of hyundai.

Considering the major gains Hyundai has made over the years, and how much their quality and designs have improved...they have nothing to be scared of.

I kind of liked the concept's tail lights better...oh well here's always aftermarket. It's gonna be one hell of a car.

Hey that looks pretty damn good.

I opened the National Post today and saw a full two page center spread in full color of the new Hyundai Veracruz. I wanted to choke on my corn flakes. It is gorgeous, 7 seater...

Was that sarcasm? (Serious question...I don't find it attractive in the least, although the interior is very, very nice).

Ha, hardly. How does being born here exempt one from having to learn the basic history of the country? Why is it even tested?

How do you figure we're exempt? Have you ever taken a history class?

It's kinda required...high school, college...even grammar school we took history...

I thought GM got out of the whole minivan thing. The Enclave looks horrible granted the blacked out C pillar looks better but there is no helping this ugly thing.

:rotflmao: The fact that it's a Ram makes it all the funnier!

Is that Dodgefan's truck?

It doesn't have Hemi!

The truck needs to play Cigaro.

>>"People who characterize immigrants based on a few bad apples are just spurious and ignorant."<<

Likewise those that characterise "most Americans" based on a few bad apples.

Some >>"Americans like to blame all the (perceived) problems in the country on this vague, faceless group called"<< Americans.

>>"Most Americans wouldn't pass the citizenship test"<<

Most drivers can't changed their own oil. Most college students wouldn't pass college tests... unless they studied for them. Why would Americans study for a test they already aced (ie: they ARE citizens)?

>>"most Southern and Eastern European immigrants often got here through semi-legal means (at best) "<<

Really? Fascinating. Sources, please.

>>"Oh, and the US has no official language. "<<

This is merely a duck around the issue; so there is no specific law proclaiming a particular language as 'official'. I ask you- what language has every law ever written in this country been in?

That's more than enough for anyone to recognize it as "official" without a paper technicality behind it.

Well said.

It's an interesting thought, too... if they just call the wagon "vectra", and the sedan "aura", then the wagon kinda has its own distinct-ness... I think I like wagon = vectra rather than wagon = aura wagon.

Kinda like the Magnum and the Charger are their own vehicles.

Wow, sometimes you find some beautiful cars on ebay...I want it.

So...will it be called Aura or Vectra? I like the name Vectra myself.

Who would want to immigrate to Mexico anyway, illegally or not?

Not me. If it does happen to land on a magical number, I just call out "w00t" and turn off my car.

MOre accurately, part of the end-of-semester college experience.

I've been up working on my 3D animation since 9 or so..I was lucky enough to get a 3 hours nap...which is why I'm still able to maintain consciousness.

On top of my 3D final I'm working on (critique due today), I have a social psychology paper due next week, probably 20 or so essays do for aesthetics (plus the final), and a photography project due Monday...then the final for that class. I also have a test in science next week. College...it sucks this time of year.

Any of you guys experiencing this fun too?

...I see daylight....

If it's only $70 you could always just pay for it yourself if you're that worried.

We have a high concentration of Spanish-speaking people here in Lancaster. A lot of people say it is because our welfare laws are lenient.

People who cannot speak the prevailing language should learn it before making the move. Nothing puts business to a halt faster than a language barrier. I don't give a crap what they speak at home, to do business in the USA, you need to speak and understand the native language here. They come here, they need to be legal, they need to pull their weight, and they need to learn English, dammit. And what is with all these Puerto Rican flags on cars? I have never seen a Pennsylvania flag on a car. If you miss it so much, go back.

I'm in the middle of it here, and it pisses me off. English is the language here. I refuse to learn Spanish.

Exactly...couldn't have said it better myself.

Is pure ignorance a Massachusetts thing?

How would you, in your obviously superior wisdom, classify the following as ignorance:

This country was founded on people immigrating from other parts of the world, however the language has always been English. It's the primary language of the country. Now consider tech following: people have come here from China, Japan, Russia, Germany, and so on...you name it. These people came here, and they learned English so as to communicate with everyone else. Most of these people also came here legally.

However, now we have all of these people illegally immigrating from oh say..Mexico, people coming from places like Puerto Rico, DR, and so on. Many of them don't speak English and seem to refuse to. In fact, some one who could barely speak English told my friend he should learn Spanish...we're both like "erm, no...you learn better English."

I live in a town where 80% of the population here is mainly from Puerto Rico and DR. What I hate about this place(aside from the high crime, disgusting trash everywhere, poor roads, and of course, insane insurance rates) is that hardly anyone has an American flag up, yet they all have flags from the those to places.

Anyway, as I'm sure even you have noticed more and more products, signs, and so on having Spanish right below (sometimes even above!) the English. So tell me...how come everyone else seemed to be able to legally immigrate here, learn English, get citizenship, and become productive, contributive members of American society...yet for some reason we have so many people from Mexico, Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic, and such who can't seem to do that.

Before your high-and-mightiness decides to jump to conclusions and say I'm picking on them or whatever, 2 of my best friends are from 2 of those regions...but they know English, are nice people, don't throw trash everywhere, and so on...it's not that everyone from the countries are like what I mentioned, it just seems either a majority are and/or they are just the most vocal about wanting rights and so one when they aren't even here legally.

I haven't pulled out statistics and all that happy stuff, so there may be some flaws to my analogy, but it's not totally false.

But I'm ignorant and know nothing. That makes you arrogant.

To all those illegal immigrants (most of which speak Spanish and make us adapt because your lazy asses won't learn our language)...Learn f@#king English assholes!

Cobalt > Ion

The insurance we have on our cars says we can make claims for damaged windshields and it won't effect what we pay.

He did what now? I must've missed this...

Hoax or not...it's hilarious imagining what might have took place.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/world/ne...000/1759093.stm

I love that shifter.

This is still the same guy who choked on a pretzel...

One question: Does this car really have wiper motors (plural)?

Pretty absurd if it does.

My bad, it was the washer fluid pump that was missing.