black02

the focus going forth should be to quick fix zeta and try and remove some weight, whatever is possible in a quick manner, and continue to use it as a large car for Pontiac, buick, and cadillac. i still believe we may see the zeta chevy, though when and as what is more questionable to me.

What makes you think that there is a quick way to remove weight from Zeta? Zeta's "weight problem" (it's really not heavy at all for its size and price range -- full size 4 doors with a 350+hp V8 all weigh in the neighborhood of 4000 pounds) has been known since before it was introduced in 2006 in Australia. If it were going to get lighter, it would have already.

I can't see any significant future weight cuts in Zeta (I'd guess max of 100 pounds), other than going to 4cyl engines. Fuel economy improvements will mostly come from more efficient powertrains, I'll bet.

You knew as well as I did it was to late to stop the Pontiac G8 & Camaro, but where is your North American Chevy Zeta (Impala), Buick Zeta, Cadillac Zeta? Enjoy the Pontiac Zeta while you can, it won't be around all that long, and Camaro will go to Alpha! :AH-HA_wink:

So what replaces Zeta in the larger sedans? Don't tell me it's EP-II.

And if Alpha is real, why no Alpha G6?

That's never going to happen, expect official word on this in a month or two. :AH-HA_wink:

It was a lot to hope for.

Too much, apparently.

for pontiac to get serious credibility in the performance/luxury car world they will need to have chassis' that perform well when measured up against the performance cars of our generation, BMW. I don't see any other position in the world of GM available to Pontiac except for being the red headed step child that's always burning rubber. in order to reach this image they must have RWD. you sacrifice practicality, you sacrifice conservatism....to go to Pontiac and be rebellious and experience screaming performance and sex appeal. you've either got it or you don't, and epsilon don't, neither does any car from GM with FWD proportions. we can live through one more generation of epsilon, but if Pontiac is ever to have a reason for existing and not just be a copy of saturn with swoopier sheetmetal, which in turn is a copy of Chevy with more euro sheetmetal, then they must differentiate themselves.

I agree.

RWD would make Pontiac very desirable. Leave FWD to Saturn, Chevy, and Buick.

A RWD G6 is stupid. A FWD G6 makes alot sense.

Uh huh. Best to just keep building a variation of the Malibu/Aura for Pontiac than to build a car that RWD enthusiasts would want to buy.

One by one the Zeta cars will be shut down by GMNA, except maybe the ones built in North America for the life of the current UAW & CAW contracts. GMNA could pick up production for the whole world that still uses what's left of Zeta program. :AH-HA_wink: Shut Holden out of any Alpha production, then it's (Fate Accompli), no reason for Holden to exist, without Zeta and Alpha production.

When that happens, and it seems to be going that way, there will be many happy people in North America and Europe. Let's see, first there would be me , then Cadillac, GME, Chevrolet, CAW and UAW, just to name a few.

Why so much rancor? Holden has produced the most interesting four-doors at GM.

Or is "not invented here" still alive and well in Detroit?