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I like the Interior, for what it is. You guys complain that there is too much going on, but you haven't sat in it, and couldn't possibly have a clue if it is well laid out and ergonomic or not. The red S2000 interior had way more red than this, I think this interior has a good balance of red and black, for a Type R. Obviously this interior wouldn't fly in the base model.

Also, this is a European car only, they have different tastes than us.

Yes, we know Honda does not offer anything like these vehicles.

What does Honda have to do with this thread?

Insight Type R

So the LISF-AF will only sell 1,000 per year? Or was it the IS-A? Or the LS-F? Or uhh... Prius-F? Ah who cares, just get an M5.

The guy holding the camera has some balls.

If you're spending $15,000 to build up a motor in an econobox commuter car that

will be worth somewhere between a fraction of that in the end cause it's a hacked

up FWD drag car then you either have too much expendable income or you need

a math & economics lesson.

That's not what I was getting at. I didn't say it was a good idea. But you can build a reliable 11s turbocharged Civic, which is my point. If you ask me, building a car (any car) just for drag is pointless.

Then it's back to the junkyard for another motor & trans

It's the people who don't build up their engines before putting large turbos on that end up with junk. A modest build up with 15-20psi turbo and supporting mods can make a Civic do 11 second 1/4 ET's all day, and still get good mileage on the drive home. You might be hard pressed to do it under $5,000 though.... try $15,000.

If I had a $5,000 limit to build a sub 14s N/A Civic. I could buy a $1,000 or less '93-95 Civic hatch rolling chassis, put a B20B CR-V engine into it ($600-700), with Integra LS manual transmission ($200-300), strip it out (free), and there ya go. Assuming the suspension and tires are intact, a good driver could do a high 13s 1/4 with that. Taking it one step further, swap out the suspension, intake/exhaust systems, wheel/tire combo, plus tuning, and now I have a track monster, that's still reliable and will get well over 30mpg.

Why don't I do that? Well because I don't want a crappy loud-ass Civic.

He's hated Honda since the day a Civic with a fart can and a big wing ran an 11 second quarter and embarassed his 68 Camaro, hence the selling of the Panther. Or I just made that up but am pretty sure its true on some level.

ah the truth comes to light!

Yes. Hon-duh sux!

What's Hon-duh? Another Chinese make? :AH-HA_wink:

GM marine

For more than 40 years, GM has been a leader in marine engines. Its first official entry into the marine market was in 1958 with a 284-cid, 185-hp Chevrolet engine. In 1960, a group was formed within GM to fully support marine original equipment manufacturers (OEMs). Today, GM Powertrain supplies a wide array of engines to several marine OEMs

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Yeh I know, I work on them every day :AH-HA_wink: (well the transmissions in particular, but engines occasionally). I was just surprised they would have automobiles there.

The New Arcadia and other crossovers are nice, but after seeing the GMC product line at the Seattle Boat show, I was surprised to see a fully loaded Arcadia is 45K and they had a nicely equiped Yukon for 45K. IMO I would take the Yukon, I do not see giving up the space and comfort level for something so small. IMO

GM had a booth at the boat show? I guess it makes sense considering the number of Merc/Volvo 262 and 350 engines they supply. I didn't go to setup this year, but I may stop by one of the days, just have to get a pass. Lol, Arcadia, that must be the techno version, which comes with a built in PS3 and popup LCD's, right? :AH-HA_wink:

more like honda &#036;h&#33;

Hey looks like C&G has itself another wonderful member. Care to post your reasonings?

“He said Honda execs (including from Japan) were blown away by GM's new products, especially the Outlook, Acadia and Enclave. They are worried as hell. (Look at the consideration of the new Pilot vs. the Outlook in our data and they should be) He says even the next Pilot doesn't measure up to the current Outlook. Said no one in the industry is doing surfaces the way GM is and he's jealous because the Japanese refuse to even try.”

lolol

I can't believe some of you believe this.

But if Toyota makes a defective firewall design, they will have to recall more of their vehicles..... :AH-HA_wink:

They need to add an assembly plant just for the recalled vehicles, since I'm sure their dealer's are overcapacity on fixing those.

I wouldn't trust used hard drives. Try using the manufacturer's diagnostic tool, that should give you a good picture of the health of the drive.

it's only a 40gb, and we don't really care. it only has games on it, and he surfs the net with it. I honestly didn't expect it to even last as long as it has, lol, specially for a Maxtor (I've replaced 6 at work already, and they were all less than a year old, the others have all lasted, so there must have been a bad batch in there from Dell).

They know who to goto when they need a bad ass motor!

Yeh, AMG. Wait whaaa, GM??

Well there's yer problem

I use Ad-Aware SE and Avast! Antivirus. I hate Norton with a passion.

I run Spyware Killer Pro, which includes Spyware Killer, Junk File Killer, Anonymous Surfing on the net, among other things, and I also run Norton Anti Virus. I do sweeps daily with spy killer and sweep with Norton about once a month. I always have crap on this computer too much porn etc....

I run Ad aware and spybot on my computer once a month or so, as well as trendmicro virus scan once every other month or so. I never find anything. I guess I am just a smart surfer :AH-HA_wink:

Oh yeh. my other computer. I gave it to my friend to use, since I don't need it anymore, it's old.

Athlon XP 3000+ Barton (166x13)

Asus A7N8X

eVGA 5700 Ultra

2x512mb RAM

some crappy free HDD (corrupted at work, so I took it home and bought a new one for work, it's still working and hopefully will last for a while *crosses fingers*)

Extremely cheap and highly modified case

Why are you bringing up Toyota? Were the mentioned in the lawsuit? I thought it was just Honda/Acura.

I'm sure a lot of the people on this board don't think of any of the Japanese automakers as individual makes, but rather Japan Inc as a whole. If Toyota does something wrong, then both Honda and Nissan are fair game in the bash-fest. It's pretty common and the same can be said on the flip side. I've seen a lot of people on import forums bash domestic makes as a whole (even when we all know Chrysler is the worst :AH-HA_wink: )

That's lame that they misreported it, but when you think about it, a 35mph collision tells you what? That's two vehicles hitting each other each going under 20mph. A 70mph+ test would at least give more realistic results. For the two chairs that passed the test at those speeds, good for them, they should still be recognized ahead of the other chairs for being safer.

Athlon 64 3000+ (s939) overclocked to 2.6ghz (289x9) @ 1.425v, daily and completely stable, with modified stock cooler

Asus A8N-SLI Premium (heat pipe chipset cooler!)

eVGA 7600GT overclocked to 605/815, haven't done volt mod yet but planning on it. have Zalman 700 on it.

2x 160gb HDD's (nothing special)

2x512mb Kingston HyperX memory, overclocked to something I don't remember (not at my home comp right now), awesome RAM though, just wish I had the 2x1gb kit

Seasonic 380W PSU

DVD burner

Coolermaster Centurion 5 case, with considerable modding (custom HDD holder, full sound deadening + insulation, custom 120mm fan brackets, no LED's cause LED's are gay :AH-HA_wink: )

What else...

MX518 Mouse, ergo MS keyboard (need a new one), have a 5.1 surround sound, but don't have a receiver to hook it up yet. Digital camera, scanner, blah blah. Oh yeh, and VX922 Viewsonic 19" LCD.

MPG like HP is generally overstated by Japanese and Korean automakers, Europeans state them accurately, and typically Americans especially GM understate them.

Gotta love the generalizations.

hondas never break down, so why would they care about the warranty.

Exactly! :AH-HA_wink:

I'd like to see a definitive study - by someone who doesn't have an axe to grinde, of real people driving real vehicles over a period of a year and see how significant the real world numbers drop is between domestic versus Asian name plates. I would bet the facts would be surprising, indeed.

Check www.fueleconomy.gov. It's probably the closest you'll get to real world economy on an average in the U.S., even though it takes quite a number of reportings to get an accurate picture.

lol, what a ghey lawsuit.

4. Honda's market share rose to 9.2 percent, while their average incentive spending was $720 per vehcle. However, the Pilot had record incentives at $1,550 and both the MDX and RL had incentives of over $2,000 throughout 2006.

The RL needs incentives to sell. But the Pilot and MDX were both on their last years (well the Pilot is now, and the MDX was in 2006). Honda's incentives are still amazingly low, and the vehicles they're spending a lot on are the most expensive from their lineup. Lol @ Chrysler, $3,800! At least GM is realizing incentives hurt them in the long run. It's either hurt now, save yourself later, or cash in a little now, and be even more screwed later. Looks like Chrysler is taking the later route.

rofl!