NAIAS2012: 2013 Dodge Dart - from the Show

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Photos from the world debut of the 2013 Dodge Dart at the 2012 North American International Auto Show (NAIAS) in Detroit, including the reveal event and show floor display of the Limited and SXT trims in Tungsten Metallic, Bright White, and Redline Red. The Dart marked Dodge's return to the compact sedan segment, built on the Alfa Romeo Giulietta platform through the Fiat-Chrysler partnership. Read our full review in First Drive: 2013 Dodge Dart.

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They have the X7 and eventually an X8.
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A Horse With No Name replied to TaurusSHO's topic in The Lounge

Plus its just a badass looking vehicle. (Hummer, not the Corolla)
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Agree, I have very mixed feeling about the Xs for daytime running lights as it implies to me it is dead. I am very happy with the small kidney's that are back compared to the huge nostril kidney's they had which was just as cartoonish IMHO. Size wise, I am surprised it is only a 5 passenger, but they could have surprises since it still has more details to be released.
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I'm old enough to remember when there were Xes on the eyes of cartoon characters, that meant they were dead.
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Yep. That's why it makes so much sense to me. Bad MPG + decent commute = actual possible savings with an EV.
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That brings up another good point. This may seem obvious, but the calculus for an EV works better the worse the mileage of the equivalent gas vehicle is. I remember a while ago people trying to compare the Hummer EVs to a Corolla and saying it didn't make financial sense for the Hummer. But the real comparison is probably something more like an Escalade. A Hummer EV may not be a great savings compared to a Corolla, but it blows away an Escalade.
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I honestly thought about writing an opinion piece on the stupid house measure passed about autos that are perceived to be connected to China. So, with it we have the death of Polestar, but Volvo gets a pass and yet both are Chinese owned and connected to China. US bans Polestar but not Volvo in baffling EV ruling This is one of the biggest idiots moves by the current ignorant administration. Cool news from BMW BMW Group Completes $1.7 Billion U.S. Investment and Premieres New BMW X5 at “Home of X” Event in Spartanburg, SC The new BMW X5. The new BMW iX5 – the first battery-electric BMW X5 – is launching with the sixth generation of BMW’s eDrive technology. This means longer ranges of up to 845 kilometres (525 miles) in the BMW iX5 60 xDrive, fast charging, 800V technology and practical bidirectional charging. Start your engines on your thoughts of the style?
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For me in comparison to the SS I replaced with the EV9. Insurance was a wash on my policy, no real difference. The difference was clearly in Home Charging versus the Premium fuel and low MPG that the SS got. The monthly fuel cost for the SS covers the EV9 payment and charging and I still have no maintenance in comparison to the SS. Big win for me in a state that has some of the cheapest electrical rates and highest gas prices. Washington state does have a flat $250 fee added to your yearly license to make up for the lost gas tax which here is 56.5 cents per gallon plus the federal gas tax so a total of 74.9 cents per gallon tax. Filled up the Escalade today, $146 for the fill-up.
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The self driving thing is pretty amazing.
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