Suaviloquent

When I first read this I was pretty stoked. Actually, I still am stoked. I don't see it as a simple A+B=C scenario, though:

-the LS7 is a hand-built engine, and always has been. Therefore I don't foresee build and sales volumes becoming an issue.

-I would be a bit surprised if was an actual LS engine. The reasoning behind not doing a 7L LT block was supposedly the inability for the cylinder deactivation to work well with 7000-plus RPM valvetrain components. They didn't say a thing about issues with DI, though.

-GM is a big outfit. Doing software interfaces for 8L90 and 7-speed manual transmissions should be fairly straightforward.

-I agree that Cadillac is going for greater independence from the rest of GM, and this is a good thing. However, a hand-built, dry-sump engine has that certain snob appeal. The sound it makes is the capper.

-and lastly, a point that kinda shoots down my last one but is too awesome to ignore: this engine in an Alpha Camaro is a bona-fide Shelby GT350 killer.

Your points are great except the last one.

Besides that fact that yes, your speculation has been very good for a good while, I'd be wary of speculating the performance of the GT350 when we've heard tidbits here and there. The Z28 itself was a surprising debut for the Zeta Camaro. I think it'll be an epic potential match-up, but I'm not leaning on either side yet.

I think I need to see more of this car to make a full impression, but based on these grainy photos, I think it looks ugly and is badly proportioned, like the new Focus sedan with Fusion styling grafted onto it. Too much styling. The Malibu looks triple AAA grade good, except its busy front end, but this is just busy all over.

Even though the current Cruze is dated, it's an exceptionally clean design, like the 2008-12 Malibu, 2010-12 Fusion and 2003-2007 Honda Accord. I like those cars A lot.

Everything else seems top notch. A decent displacement turbo, unlike Ford's 1.0L for the segment, dual-clutch (hopely not maligned like the PowerShift or FCA's dual-clutch), perhaps a carryover diesel. Voltec seems right, but also seems redundant. Look to Toyota to see that there's no need for a Corolla Hybrid with the car already getting 40 mpg easily. It's not so easy to just plug and play power-train bits, especially when they make no sense to the target buyer. If I want Voltec, I'll get the Volt, and then if people carrying is more important than the best EREV range, a Malibu. Atleast the much hated 1.8 is finally being sent to the scrap heap. A good amount of weight loss, and a nicer interior to boot. It's more well rounded on the interior and power train front, but the exterior might irk some who trade in their old Cruze for a new one.

Part of the turbo movement is because of taxes in markets other than the U.S. that are based on displacement. Displacement is a stupid measure of efficiency, cars should be taxed on what mileage they are rated at, not the technology under the hood if you ask me. But BMW and some Ford and GM efforts have proven that engines can be turbo charged the right way and the wrong way, so it's not an entirely lost cause. It's no secret that even Honda, Toyota and now FCA will ditch midrange V6s in favour of turbo I4s for their mass-market applications.

And, as long as BRIC nations (except tanking Russia) continue their spectacular growth in auto sales, they're going to dictate the future trends we see in automobile design and manufacturing. Part of One Ford can basically be attributed to the pressures of having to build vehicles compliant with China and at the same time for the rest of the world; and it's the same reason why the 1.5L EcoBoost exists.

Well it's a great development, but I expect the ATS-V+ if anything to be what the Centennial Edition Package was for the Z06. For one year only and perhaps ditching some niceties like rear seats and other weight-saving measures.

But before any of that can come to fruition, they need to flesh out their lineup. Enough VSports and VSeries. Now it's time for the meat and potatoes. 

 

 

The real deal is that this is not a case of the car ignition slipping into AUX mode and disabling the airbags and the driver not being able to restart the car. The deal is that the ignition would slip into AUX mode once an accident head-on occurred. In fact the only time I could see someone not being able to coast out of multiple lanes is if they are in stop and go traffic, never even reaching a speed that would cause them a serious collision in the first place. "Flashers on, Hold up traffic." What I can't figure out is why the hell we are so dependendt on these thing to save our lives as opposed to simply driving proper in the first place. The first one was a Cobalt driven by a drunk girl doing 69 miles an hour in a 25 m.p.h. zone. She died. But I have to ask, in that situation was it car's airbags at fault or the girl being drunk and doing almost 3X the speed limit?

 

Let's delve deeper. Since GM is found liable, the car czars going over GM, supposedly with a fine tooth comb... since responsibility still remains with the Government that owned a controlling stake in the company for 5 years... shouldn't the Government be held so as well? N.H.T.S.A, after two Cobalt crashes, investigated the cause, each time raising the possibility of a defect. They met with GM but never opened a broader investigation into whether the car was defective. Never forcing GM to actually do a Recall. 

 

 

 

 

 

Ouch. GM's name is gonna be pulled through the mud for this.

 

Wonder if there will be any prosocutions, and if so how long will the cases take? A couple years at the very least I'm betting.

 

 

 

Ouch???     Wings???    

yeah...well...it WAS of criminal nature...

 

But Im wonderin' is anybody gonna go to the slammer for this?

 

In 2015 America...scratch that...because its not only corporate America that this disease is apparent...so...in 2015 Earth...are corporate weasels ever gonna be held accountable for their actions?

 

 

 

Personally I'm sick of the drama.. but we all kno that the some won't let to go away. You can bet the press is perpetuating the issue. This country absolutely hates it's corporations, while very often at the same time loving foreign ones. Seriously. If the Revolutionary war were fought today, you can bet good money we'd be sending tax dollars to the Queen

 

Terrible post. You of all people, why am I not surprised? 

^{I'm a sucker for the new Mustang. I would get the 3.7 and add the $695 dark 5 spoke wheel option, manual tranny and keep me under $30k.}

 

Yes I have cooled down since back in the day.. I just have too many good things going on to put people truly in their place. But hey!!! This is a welcome party for my old AWCC/MTForum/CF alumini El Kabong.. YUP YUP!!! 

 

 

And yes Olds.. I did say NO WINGS.. NO Badstang.. NO Grand Turismo!!! No Billdeaner!!! 

 

Yeah... Those guys and TAF are always the problem. I wish Wings would actually contribute his knowledge of engines, because he really does know his stuff in that regard, but he just can't stop being a shill.

 

 

Yes I have cooled down since back in the day.. I just have too many good things going on to put people truly in their place. But hey!!! This is a welcome party for my old AWCC/MTForum/CF alumini El Kabong.. YUP YUP!!! 

 

 

And yes Olds.. I did say NO WINGS.. NO Badstang.. NO Grand Turismo!!! No Billdeaner!!! 

 

Yeah... Those guys and TAF are always the problem. I wish Wings would actually contribute his knowledge of engines, because he really does know his stuff in that regard, but he just can't stop being a shill.

 

Grand Turismo isn't that bad, he doesn't like Ford or GM equally. I don't know Casa, for a while I could have easily tossed you with the rest of them, but... you've changed and good on doing that.

I have to say, this new forum, is just amazing. Coming from MT, everything is logically laid out, with finally...threads specific to certain sections of webpage.

It was a little to much at first, seeing just the complexity and simplicity at the same time, but WOW! Amazing!

 

 

 

Sualiv.. Good to see u got the message. Should we bring over Wings? Lol

NO EFFIN' WAY!!!

 

 

 

 

U and I don't always see eye to eye, bought I brought U over.. LOL.. Either way.. I think I will take your advice on this one for once.. Wings is an old "friend," but he would troll the hell out of this place.. and C&G would have their first BANNED member in a long time I think

BTW Olds.. can U make your sig pic slightly smaller???

NOTE:

 

just found a new feature by mistake.. If U have to add to what U just posted... U don't have to hit edit apparently.. it just adds it to the post instead of making a totally new post. And Phone optimization is very nice. Love this software

 

I aint the boss of you, dude.

And I dont think you really care what I have to say about the matter either..but thanx for the polite answer anyway...I respect you for that.

 

I changed the pic and made it smaller...if anybody still has an issue with the size...please kindly tell me to make it even smaller...I will oblige and comply.

 

You can add pics to your sig?!!! WTF!!!!  

For the price and accouterments, the Genesis is really hard to beat. I mean, trying to find flaws in a car from a maker that is trying punch above its weight in prestige is a refreshing change from the established luxury makes going downmarket for simple economics. Hyundai isn't expecting to succeed yet still did it, while Mercedes and Audi are reaming in the cash from one of the laziest product efforts. I'd rather get a $45k Genesis than a $45K CLA. It's just plain American wholesome sense. 

Heck, the Genesis is essentially one way to interpret the American way of giving more, and more stuff which is better than the lesser stuff, for less.

Well, it is a bit of PR spin though for Marry Barra to downplay the criminal aspect as worrisome "incompetence and neglect". People died here! And it was good for the many Congressman to call her out for being so reckless in her responses to their questioning. 

Otherwise, there's been safety debacles before with other automakers. Atleast now GM finally has the laser-vision like focus on getting better, not for the sake of beating others, but for the sake of being better than ever before.

It'll be a slow, but calculated march back up with excellent product and a constant attention to reputation to bring back the goliath that was at one point the biggest, best and most profitable automaker ever. And don't expect anyone else to buckle against GM. As hard as GM punches, the rest will come back like bloodthirsty hounds to settle the score. 

Well... posts that go up on the first try. Whatta concept!

Absolutely. As soon as the MT Forum went downhill I took a good long vacation, figuring it'd take weeks of attempts to get a single post up. I came back at the point when basically MT forums was about to die... AND SEE YAAA (Micheal Kay reference)!!!!

The mix of good people stamping out the infection and bad software left everyone all the trolls disgruntled, all the time.

It can't be that bad CP. Sure the market may not exist, but it is a hidden jem in the segment. I like the car, it offers a lot, and it certainly beat both Lincoln and Cadillac to market as a flagship product offering. Though the CT6 will absolutely bury anything other than the S-Class.

People probably don't know what the K900 is standing 10 feet away in a dealership showroom, and that's the most fundamental failure as a flagship. In America, Kia is still overcoming the bargain basement garbage reputation, and they want to sell a $60,000 RWD "value" luxury sedan? The whole concept from top to bottom is a swing and a miss.

 

Now I've never been a fan of the Cadillac XTS, but the Vsport 3.6T/AWD starts at $63,000 and pretty much tops out just over $70k. It's faster, just as big and spacious, more fuel efficient, offers similar handling, and actually has a luxury badge on it. The Lexus LS also starts just north of $70k.

I had to shake my head for a second, because I thought the photo was an all-new CTS-V Coupe. Narly.

Love it. Keep it up Cadillac.

The looks alone though, keep the 200 and Fusion at the top of my list. Honestly, the Mazda 6, Fusion and 200 as well as the soon to come Malibu look to be the best looking midsize cars.

For so long it seems, that we've went away from looks to just focus on the hard numbers and objective measures of performance. But can't we all say unanimously that these 4 along with kudos to the Accord Sport and Optima SX are the outright best looking midsizers?

Alright, let's get into the nitty gritty. Finally a place to have real discussion, not the constant meandering at MT.

Okay CP I've been converted!!!

Will you be our messiah to lead the charge to this new homeland? Good for a chuckle or two.