Mr.Krinkle

No, no, no. You have to do your homework --and not just you. Unless it explicitly says "scientific" whenever you see an internet poll assume it is not. look closer: ONLINE SURVEYS In contrast, MSNBC's online surveys (Live Votes) may reflect the views of far more individuals, but they are not necessarily representative of the general population. To begin with, the people who respond choose to do so — they are not randomly selected and asked to participate, but instead make the choice to read a story about a certain topic and then vote on a related question. There is thus no guarantee that the votes would reflect anything close to a statistical sample, even of MSNBC.com users: The participants in a Sports Live Vote and a Politics Live Vote may overlap, but each group is likely to be dominated by people with an interest in each particular area. In addition, while MSNBC.com’s Live Votes are designed to allow only one vote per user, someone who wants to vote more than once could simply use another computer or another Internet account. right from from msns site http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3704453/ In other words to sum up -- the surveys are bs. thats my psa for the night.

GM CEO sees more alliances Wagoner says escalating costs will drive collaboration but declines to comment on possible Chrysler bid. http://money.cnn.com/2007/03/06/news/compa...on=money_latest General Motors Corp. Chief Executive Rick Wagoner said escalating costs would mean more industry alliances and mergers but declined to say if the world's largest automaker would bid for rival DaimlerChrysler's struggling Chrysler Group. Wagoner said the costs of developing the next generation of automobiles, especially the replacement for the traditional internal combustion engine, meant that the industry would be driven toward deeper collaboration. "Think in terms of 90 to 100 (yen to the dollar) as the market base of the currency," he said.

from the HEADLINE can you fault them? skip over that one? defending itself from allegations that its Hummer SUV melts the planet. "We made a bad decision," GM vice chairman Bob Lutz now says. "Being known as the technology laggard is not conducive to selling automobiles." it had to be done straight up facts. debate the reasons not the writing. same . GM chairman Rick Wagoner, no stranger to bad press, feels Toyota's pain. "We are becoming more alike than different," maybe its the opposite?..if i liked toyota.

People are biased. im sick of that word. Maybe grandson was stranded in a Chevy and doesnt want the same thing to happen to 70 yr old grandma. Who knows but dont blame personal preference on a cleverly hidden brainwashing. Just to play the devils advocate for a moment: were these fluff pieces payed for by Ford and GM? http://money.cnn.com/2005/06/01/Autos/hybrid/ http://money.cnn.com/2004/06/21/pf/autos/h...sense/index.htm http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2006...cr_hybrids.html Does this media bias extend to Europe where we already have an inkling as to their feelings on our automobiles? I cant say with the news is like up in the great North but i am pretty confident that over here we get a decent balance. Perfect? no, i dont know but this story is a stretch for making a case for mb. Proclaiming MB acts as more of a disservice. http://www.cheersandgears.com/forums/index...showtopic=15820 --interesting. No?

FOG- You know its O.K. to have a difference of opinion. You don't have to be such a big f@#king crybaby about it. and no, I'm not a counter measure disinformation agent employed by The toyota machine to stategically place what sounds like logical well crafted ideas designed to subvert the subconscious manifestations in the guise as an objective front. Your first line about hybrids not selling couldnt be more wrong. -- CURRENT MONTH -- -- CALENDAR YEAR TO DATE -- DSR % DSR % 2007 2006 CHG 2007 2006 CHG PRIUS 12,227 6,547 86.8 20,526 14,201 41.6 the article referred to it as an halo car. THats not exactly a flattering term. you know what that means right? --it gives the perception of desirability across a spectrum however you want to define it--whether its true or not...its just supposed to make everything else look that much better. the z06, gt40, mustang, camaro, nsx, supra. 16 Gas prices will go up again --what will happen to the gas guzzlers this time? How many katrinas will it take. Maybe one more just to solidify it? When Wags pulled the plug on the ev1 toyota went ahead. Sorry. I dont like it any more than you do. btw--the movie about the electric car not too long ago, the makers admit they purposefully ommitted toyotas failures. THATs BiaS. Toyota even said they didnt know why they werent included...turns out when they were filming the guards at GM were a little nasty and the ones at toyota offered them cookies while they waited. Im sure you can google that little anectdote. that isnt TRUTH? how did GM cut 9 BILLION dollars if thats FALSE?whats your gripe? currency manipulation? yeah, that one sucks. but did wattanabe have the UAW sign their contracts on the trunk of the Dodge Intrepid? Is he making those numbers up? sounds about right to me. Maybe he should have said and thats with 40% sales going to rental fleets because most Americans rather buy Camrys. its funny that the rest of America is brainwashed...and we buy the American cars because they are better? nah, I just like 'em better. especially my grand prix but why would the greatest and most effective propaganda machine be employed by the opposition in one of your favorite interests--the auto industry??? coincidence.? I saw this as a wake up call. Do you think they care that much? the media does not try to destroy the US auto insustry you fool. if anything it you are the one that is biased. As a student of psychology you should familiarize yourself with certain cognitive misconceptions. heres a brief tutorial. http://www.answers.com/topic/hostile-media-effect I dont have the time nor desire to pick throught the rest of this bs. and by the by FOGGY i see plenty of good ol American cars right here on the lovely East coast in NYC. Earlier today a brand new escalade, envoy, older suburban, and ss blazer were all filling up at the same GAS station. As i was leaving a typhoon pulled in. sure i see plenty of foreign cars but its still at about 2-1. And I see 10 new impalas for every new camry. --and no they arent rentals.

yes, and if thats the caes then im glad pelosi is next in line. Cheney is a couple of ticks away if he keeps it up. Bush? eh, i dont know what his deal is. doesnt time seem to stop when you start to think about his presidency? someone better whip this $h! back into line.

I hope that the sequel works ok then, mayb ethe volt will come to fruiton by then too. whats the problem? a battery? I bet theres a nice piece of cheese for the person who figures that one out. Either of those better count towards cafe. I bet if they had to theyd squeek out 50 mpg no problem just to comply. long live performance.

Drivers giving leases new life With loan rates rising, buying more costly By MARGARET PRICE Car dealers say leasing is seeing renewed popularity. Car leases are making a comeback. After hitting a low point in 2003, the deals are finding a renewed appeal as consumers face higher rates for car loans. Edmonds.com reported a 21% rise nationally in the leasing of cars and light duty trucks for the 12 months ended early December 2006. According to research firm J.D. Power, from 2004 through early this year, leases as a percentage of car sales rose about 4 percentage points to 19.9%. In the Northeast, leasing climbed more than 6 percentage points to 27.9% of new car sales. Earlier in the decade, interest in leasing declined, experts said, as low-interest financing and cash-back offers made buying a better deal. But rising interest rates has eroded some of those advantages. "As monthly payments rise for car loans, someone might pay, hypothetically, $500 a month for a car loan, versus perhaps $350 dollars a month to lease the same vehicle," said Tom Libby of J.D. Power. Mark Schienberg, president of the Greater New York Automobile Dealers Association, said leasing has long been very popular with people in the greater New York metro area. Jesse Toprak, an analyst at Edmonds.com, said leases can put a more expensive car within reach. "New York is an upscale market, and a market where European car brands tend to do well," Toprak said. "In these trend-setter markets, people are trying to get the most expensive car they can, and the cheapest way of doing so is to lease it." In New York, car leasing is also benefiting from a change in the law: As one of its provisions, the federal Transportation Act of 2005 banned state laws on the vicarious liability of car leasing and rentals. That struck down a New York law that had made car leasing companies liable for damages if the cars were in accidents - even if the leasing company wasn't at fault. Experts said New York had been the last state to have such a law on its books, which had significantly affected leasing business, especially in the 2003-05 period. "Twelve car manufacturers stopped leasing in New York," and few financial institutions were willing to get involved, Schienberg said. Once the deterrent was removed, all 12 car manufacturers that had stopped leasing in New York went back into the business. But the law that deters leasing may have another life: A state Supreme Court justice in Queens reopened the vicarious liability issue in 2006, ruling that the federal ban is unconstitutional. Lawyers for the leasing industry are appealing. -- -- All the more reason why the new cars have to be spot on. If more people are opting to lease then price becomes less of an obstacle.

didnt see this here but if you really want to feel your skin crawl watch the interview with Jim Press. http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?f=00&a...351989/&fg= Instead of "invading" from the coasts they planted in the middle and are spreading outward. Diabolical. Imagine the kids growing up in Mississippi knowing the two factories building cars in their hometown used to be foreign. That is a reality check. nice map from toyota.com. They claim 14 plants but everywhere else its reported as seven with this new one making it 8. http://www.toyota.com/about/operations/manufacturing/

Toyota to build a new plant in Mississippi Japanese automaker needs capacity to keep up with high demand Toyota to build 8th US factory by 2010 Toyota Motor Corp. said Tuesday it will build a $1.3 billion assembly plant in northeast Mississippi to manufacture its Highlander sport utility vehicle. Production is set to begin by 2010 and employment is projected at 2,000. The company said it expects to build 150,000 vehicles a year. “Toyota is the world’s premiere auto manufacturer and our state will be the best partner the company has,” Gov. Haley Barbour said in prepared remarks. Jim Press of ToyotaNA

No one is interested in Chrysler. Daimler wants it gone asap because its starting to suck the life out of mercedes. BMW, audi and others are pulling ahead because of it. It is putting them at a disadvantage that will continue until its gone. Any price will be good enough. The auction is a way to draw GM out into making a decision sooner than later. The five billion number has been bandied about and at that price it probably is a steal. Fritz Henderson may be one of the best things to happen to GM in a long time. You know hes been hatching a scheme to make this do-able.. For no other reason than they have showed an interest in this tells me they know something we are probably missing. I wonder how W.P. Chrysler would feel about his old bosses buying out his company. Sounds like old school GM.

They might be.

Thats a viscious cycle. http://www.kiplinger.com/apnews/XmlStoryRe...?storyid=306419 and I thought they were on to something with the g6.

Lets not forget that in a few years this went from this to this Personally id rather be rolling in the 6 four, and im not saying that this car is going to be looked the same way but in a segment with such few standouts who knows? well see what happens but i think it will capture the appeal of a broader crowd than say the hardcore pontiac fan. I know people what looked back fondly on the malibu and were so let down and disappointed it looks the way it does. --I just like to say the lower brake light looks pretty neat. Id like to see it moved up with a turn light right under it. THink thatd look good. as already said a couple times here and there the one thing that will bury this car is the way in which they price it. Dealers need to finally understand you sell someone five cars over 15 years. I bet once you drive this f*cker and decide to get it there wont be an ounce of buyers remorse. Treat it like that and youll get a satisfied customer for another. This is a good start, I think. Again

This car to me represents a change and signals the direction Pontiac is headed. Maybe once/if it catches on there will be more. Then more character will be incorporated. That was the original intent of the cts if i recall correctly. I think this will help usher in that rejuvention that they need. Lets be honest, with retail sales of the gp hovering at 30% no one cares what a pontiac is was or should be. This at least is getting some attention. Most of it good from what I gather. For now, I see it as a start. Hope it sells well otherwise it will be harder and harder to make a case for pontiac.

oh, right the most ridiculous argument. Thanks to those neocon puppet rags. The best outcome that we can hope for is that a sufficient number of our fellow citizens wake up to the fact that they are enslaved farmed cattle and they are not going to put up with the insulting cattle prod of blatant false-flag terrorism anymore. By believing anything that the Masonic farmers say in future about which group might have carried out the next false flag terrorism and for what political purpose. The Masonic Revolution in England was achieved quite subtly without the bloodshed of the Masonic American, French, Chinese and Russian revolutions. The Private Bank of England simply took over power from the King and Parliament by buying the power with their easily printed paper money. There certainly is some recourse to the tyranny of a small group of despots other than by a violent revolution. It is called a democratic bloodless velvet revolution whereby the mass of the people become sufficiently awake to no longer follow the orders of their despotic leaders, however much the puppeteers try to bribe, threaten and brainwash the police and army enforcers. This happened when the Berlin Wall fell. It is not a quick method of achieving results but patience has its virtues in evolution being much less destructive than revolution. Of course there will be no "public hearings" or admission of what really happened on 9/11 or 7/7 under the US or UK regimes. The ruling Masons in the UK make up about 1% of the population and can never let the proverbial cat out of the bag. Probably best if they do not as it is a particularly stinky cat. The power of this 1%, to rule 99%, is contingent on the 99% putting up with how the 1% behave. The ruling elite classes, in total, probably make up only 3% of the population, either under the Ancient Feudal social pyramid or under the post-Enlightenment Master/Slave social pyramid we see today. It is in the best interests of this other 2% of our ruling elite classes that they force the lunatic Lucifarian Masonic Masters out of political power quietly and it may well be that it is this 2% who are funding much of the 9/11+7/7 truth movement. The 9/11 and 7/7 truth movements do not want armed insurrection in either the UK or USA; they want a non-violent change in political direction away from lunacy, not towards an even greater lunacy of a violent revolution and of blood stained guillotines. We must not be anti-war so much as pro-peace. I would be happy if the US armed forces did not start new illegal wars against Syria and Iran for example, or if they did that the UK did not support the USA again. Our success may therefore be measured by a lack of eagerness for the people of the USA to be suckered again by another Tonkin Gulf (successful false pretext), USS Liberty (failed false pretext) or 9/11 (highly successful false pretext) for wars. We will never know how successful we have been in trying to wake other people up out of their hypnotic trance-like state, but it is our international duty to try to prevent crimes against humanity from continuing. ----------------------------- ------------------------ ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ ----------------- yup, thats it in a nutshell. Use your heads people. Its all BS here is an example of a misquote. Take the time and read it. From a fireman that was misquoted by these pricks. "If its the wingtv article its ********. They slandered me last year when I read them the riot act about their behavior. The article" Fireman admits again 9-11 was an inside job" is slander. The article written by randy lavello is also slander as he has me saying that woolsey former CIA Director Woolsey was passing a gag order down the rank and file of the FDNY. That statement was never made in that context, It was said in humor ,and as a matter of fact that so-called reporter was fired by Alex Jones for making **** up on alot of people. The only reason I didn't go through the legal channels is because lawyers cost to damn much. So the true statement was the that I heard Explosions not bombs as I couldn't tell what the sounds were as I was blocks away and can not confirm what the noise was. As I was aproaching City Hall the North Tower began the collapse I heard what sounded like thunder just prior to the collapse then the Popping as the tower fell. I had my radio scanner and there were reports of explsions within the conplex over the PD and PAPD frequencies. As I made my way closer I could pick up on the FD Handie Talkie frequencies and it sounded like hell. No one new what the was going to happen next but when the second tower began its fall there were what sounded like loud popping coming from the tower as well as a sucking sound like reveres air pressure. Its seems the people at 911Truth have some problems with credibility as I had approached them on this issue for clarification. No need to say they never returned my messages. They are tools of the trade. Take care Paul " If anyone like buyacargetalife needs some quotes, just leave your phone number. Il make sure you get plenty of quotes all day and night from all sorts of people that were actually there so you can be sure. Dont let this get diluted because of some crackpot whackos. didnt think id get to use that again. and ps the how and the why is the real red herring. while you are busy trying to prove this the real villains are getting away.

I know. ITs really not. Computers and the internet really offer a nice a home for these types. Much better than the street corner. I just think it really upsets the terrorist when they take the credit away from them. Shame.

Not really. The usual reason for the planned attack is to have a reason to fight a war in Iraq. This makes total sense because all the evidence points to Saddam Hussein as the culprit. no, wait thats not right. They go through al this trouble and dont even pin it on the right guy. Everything else is circustantial. The very fact this bull$h! story changes so many times is enough reason not to believe it. Once the lies re exposed they are reworked and fit into place with the delicacy of an hammer striking a nail. It is called the fruit loop. Other reasons were because the buildings were old and this was the cheapest way to bring them down. --makes sense. It makes sense to destroy downtown manhattan. It still has not recovered. It may not ever. Its pointless. Everyone conspiracy theorist is an expert at telling you, you are wrong. and never provide ecidence just speculation, conjecture, falsehoods and downright lies. the free-fall argument again is BS but will not die. The construction allowed the progression of collapse to fall in and about that time. FLoor after floor after floor. THe weight of each floor load increasing exponentially until it was hundred of thousands of pounds of rubbel and dead. In the face of incontrovertable evidence and overwhelming facts only they know the real truth and the rest are too stupid to realize. with that, this is the most ridiculous argument but first dont forget: and dont forget the JahBulOn worshipping plutocratic oligarchy do not really care which party naïve American sheep vote for. Or that 9/11 in year 01 of the new millennium and the invasion of Afghanistan (9/11 plus 600 hours) and Iraq (9/11 plus 555 days) had been planned many years in advance.

That is not evidence. nor is it proof. You cant even tell when the building stops falling because of the smoke and $h! flying everywhere. Some tapes show it taking roughly free fall speed but slightly more. I have more equations to prove it. From numerous places. Believe what you want just keep it out of here. as far as im concerned i already wasted too much of my life. take it somewhere else.

And here is the outright LIE... “ we heard explosions coming from building two, the south tower. It seemed like it took forever, but there were about ten explosions. . . . We then realized the building started to come down.” -- Firefighter Craig Carlsen Note where these liars put the "...." Now for the REAL quote... I guess about three minutes later you just heard explosions coming from building two, the south tower. It seemed like it took forever, but there were about ten explosions. At the time I didn't realize what it was. We realized later after talking and finding out that it was the floors collapsing to where the plane had hit. all bull$h!. and lets not forget the cocksuckers that claimed responsibility, Unless of course al jazeera is in on it with the rest of the of the US government.

The sulfur that was found by this crackpot professor that he believes to be a resultant of thermite reaction was more probably present because of the burning cars in the underground garages. It leaves the same footprint. Why youd guess thermite before tires --which there were plenty of--is suspect. Maybe we should ask the people who fund his research? Its delusional. Why would you even bring this up? this is old news.

Actual physics at play. how about you offer some proof that it was. now. with evidence. i wont wait around because it cant be done. you know why? Because there is none.

how do i know?Note how much thermite is used. The pot is about a liter, but how much thermite is that? Stoichiometric thermite requires 2 moles of Al per 1 mole of Fe2O3 2Al + Fe2O3 = Al2O3 + 2Fe 2 moles of Al weigh 54 g 1 mole of Fe2O3 weighs 160 g density of Al=2.64 g/cc density of Fe2O3=5.24 g/cc 54 grams of Al is equivalent to 20.5 cc of Al. 160g of Fe2O3 is equivalent to 30.5 cc of Fe2O3 Therefore, 51 cc of fully dense powder of 20.5 cc Al and 30.5 cc Fe2O3 weighs (54+160) g = 214 g. A volume of 1000 cc would weigh (1000/51)*214 = 4.2 kg For a powder packing density of 50%, the powder would weigh: 0.5*4.2 kg = 2.1 kg = 4.8 lb That much just to burn a small hole in a small car engine. I bet it's even an aluminum block but lets say it isn't. How much do you think it would take to burn a massive core column? Then add enough to burn for 6 weeks! You see where we're going. You'd need tons. Here's a Debunking911 Fun Fact! How much mass would be required to produce molten iron from thermite equal to the same volume of molten aluminum droplets shown flowing from the south tower window: A mole of Fe weighs 54 g. For every mole of Fe produced by thermite, one mole of Al and 0.5 mole of Fe2O3 is needed. 2Al + Fe2O3 = Al2O3 + 2Fe One mole of Al weighs 27 g. 0.5 mole of Fe2O3 weighs 80 g. Therefore, (27 + 80) g = 107 g of Al and Fe2O3 is needed to produce 54 g of Fe. That means the mass of the reactants to that of Fe produced is a ratio of 107/54 = 2. The mass of thermite reactants (Al, Fe2O3) is twice that of the molten iron produced. Comparing the weight of molten aluminum droplets compared with iron: Iron is 7.9 g/cc. Aluminum is 2.64 g/cc. Fe is denser than Al by a factor of 3. For the same volume of droplets, Fe would have three times the mass as Al. To produce the iron from thermite requires a reactant mass that is a factor of 2 more than the iron produced. Also, Fe is 3 times as dense as Al. So, it would take 2*3 = 6 times as much mass to produce the same volume of molten iron droplets from thermite compared with molten aluminum droplets. Example: Assume 3000 lbs of aluminum fell from the towers. If it had been molten iron produced by thermite, then 6*3000 = 18,000 lbs of thermite reactants would have been required to produce that same volume of falling mass. Suppose 10 tons of molten aluminum fell from the south tower, about 1/8th of that available from the airplane. If it had been molten iron produced from thermite, 60 tons of thermite reactants would have to have been stored in Fuji Bank to produce the same volume spilling out of the south tower. The section of floor would have to hold all of that plus the aircraft. *Amount of aluminum can be ascertained by counting the droplets and measuring their size compared to the known size of the window. It's not easy to get a good number on this. It's based on the number of slugs seen in video stills, their size relative to the window width which was about 22 inches, and the density of aluminum, assuming this was aluminum. http://www.coolmagnetman.com/magconda.htm The weight of a gallon of aluminum is about 22.5 pounds. A hundred of these would already be 2250 lbs. A gallon size is not unlike the size of the slugs that were pouring out the window. Look at them relative to the window size. They look small at first, but when you realize how big the towers were, the slugs were fairly large. It must have been in the thousands of pounds. Alex Jones, professional conspiracy theorist radio host, has said Jones found evidence of thermite. This isn't true. What Jones found was something which would have been in the debris pile anyway. Sulfur... WTC Thermite Sulfur In Steven Jones' PDF "Answers to Objections and Questions", to support his claim for Sol-gels/Thermite he states: "One molecule, described by the EPA's Erik Swartz, was present at levels "that dwarfed all others": 1,3-diphenylpropane. "We've never observed it in any sampling we've ever done," However when you look at the link he uses http://www.newsday.com/news/health/ny-hsai...page-right-area You find out Mr. Jones edits out the VERY next line which states "He said it was most likely produced by the plastic of tens of thousands of burning computers." Apparently, Jones felt this was not important enough for his readers to know. Sloppy research or purposeful deception by the "scholars"? The evidence for one is growing... Ive read plenty of books, objectively looking for some answers. you should do the same and not listen to what you want to.

http://www.debunking911.com/quotes.htm “I saw a flash flash flash [at] the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building?”--Assistant Fire Commissioner Stephen Gregory Now the WHOLE QUOTE without the taking out of context... I know I was with an officer from Ladder 146, a Lieutenant Evangelista, who ultimately called me up a couple of days later just to find out how I was. We both for whatever reason -- again, I don't know how valid this is with everything that was going on at that particular point in time, but for some reason I thought that when I looked in the direction of the Trade Center before it came down, before No. 2 came down, that I saw low-leve] flashes. In my conversation with Lieutenant Evangelista, never mentioning this to him, he questioned me and asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him because I thought -- at that time I didn't know what it was. I mean, it could have been as a result of the building collapsing, things exploding, but I saw a flash flash flash and then it looked like the building came down. Q.: Was that on the lower level of the building or up where the fire was? A: No, the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That's what I thought I saw. And I didn't broach the topic to him, but he asked me. He said I don't know if I'm crazy, but I just wanted to ask you because you were standing right next to me. He said did you see anything by the building? And I said what do you mean by see anything? He said did you see any flashes? I said, yes, well, I thought it was just me. He said no, I saw them, too. Dont be such a sucker. If this were even remotely true it would be the biggest news story EVER. not found in some anti goverment prison planet type nonsense.

I have dealt with these stories from the beginning. ITs amzing how much they have evolved. I used to get a good laugh about this with many different people. Educate yourself. The very idea is so disgusting it makes me sick. First they werent planes, then they were holograms, then planes but this time military type, then ,issiles...its all BULL$h!. It is easily refutable. I have done much research and can without a doubt conclude the collapse was soley from the impact of the planes, the fire and the construction of the building. You mention bombs, thermite or any other $h! and i will smack the $h! out of you. It would take tons of thermite and days/weeks/months to rig it. In buildings that were always full. IT would stink and there would be evidence al over the place. There is not. as for NYPD and NYFD most of their quotes were taken out of context. Read this learn something and shut the f@#k up. http://www.debunking911.com/ http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/wtc.shtml and 2 other things. High rises are built knowing a plane could crash into it. The speeds however were only conducted at landing approach speeds. This hit at 500 mph and with 22,000 gallons of jet fuel. IT burns just enough to wilt the steel .11-1600 degrees if i recall correctly. WE were lucky it just didnt break in half. and 2 the empire state or chrysler probably would have survived in tact because of the excess concrete and no steel exoskelton construction like WTC N and WTC S.