Mr.Krinkle

I always assumed it was called Chinese Democracy because we would never see it. Even though I heard a track from it last year I still wont count on it.

Hot Damn! http://youtube.com/watch?v=KzECeEvZVOQ

Dont think anyone was complaining, just discussing the lack of a difference among the cars which unless you like the nascar brand of racing its not going to matter to you anyway. Pish posh.

BV-The cars are the same. Thats the point of having them, it keeps the focus on the nascar brand racing. In the case of Dodge it at least gets the Avenger name out there. Additionally, it may attract more ad dollars because sponsors wont feel gyped because for all intents and purposes the cars are the same. Nascar is about the drivers and the team set ups moreso than anything else. Do you understand that if NASCAR decides to adopt a single powerplant for the race cars they can tell the manufacturers to go screw. If you want to be fooled into thinking a few stickers make the cars different and "unique" thats your business. But dont spit on my cupcake and tell me its frosting. Ya dig.

Wait a sec. Hold on. OK now I see it.

If you work a job for 10 or 20 years and all of a sudden someone says, hey, well were going to pay you less and take away the benefits tht youve been getting all along how would you react? There are adjustments that need to be made but this is all normal human reaction. What are the options? You cant get blood from a turnip. Its hard and have no doubt if it could be kept up it would, but it cant so its time to strike an accord that everyone can agree with. Or at least one that a majority can agree with.

Looks like an x3. Real original.

Theyre all the same $h!. What hood indentations? someone leaned their fat ass up against a car and theres your Avenger? Theyve been gunning for this for years, long before the first restrictor plate. Probably around the time Dodge slapped a 12 ft high wing on their race cars. sorry about the nascar rant above and Dale Jarret is a sell out. Oh well. At least theres no more waltrip commercials hawking the tundra.

Nascar believes it isnt the cars that the fans are loyal to it's the drivers so who cares what they drive and consequently what it looks like. Theyve been trying to do this for years. The cars have adjustable features like the wing but everything starts off exactly the same . Level the playing field and let the drivers sort it out. Same $h! the with restrictor plates, Its not cheaper either thats BS. The current manufacturers that are involved are footing the bill for both cars until the kinks are worked out and its fully integrated. The car may be safer but nothing more radical that couldnt have been achieved in the current-old one They debuted it at one of the favorite, and possibly best tracks that almost always promises and delivers a good race. Good choice if you ask me. It's the only one I will watch and if I dont see at least part of will be mildly upset. Personally, I prefer most other motorsports but the tight pack racing with cars closer to eachother than most people park is unique. It is a joke at this point. Ratings are somewhat stale but they say it is growing in popularity. I dont get it. Nascar is about money and nothing else and needs those big dollars to suckle at its marketing teet. This basically sums up my disdain for NASCAR. "One-size-fits-all is fairly accurate," Darby said the Car of Tomorrow would not be an "IROC Series" of identical cars and that once manufacturers placed their decal kits and brand marks on them, they would maintain their unique identities. Id rather watch a c6-r screaming down the Mulsanne Straightaway of Cirque de Sarthe LeMans with the a db9 and its cross eyed shark mouthed gait patiently waiting right there behind it ready to pounce. But thats just me.

These guys might disagree with you, Satty. I'd watch out for the last one. And fyi, they run two road courses mr. smartypants

I dont know exactly how they sacked the truck series so fast but Toyota has a long way to go in Cup and it wont be anywhere near as easy. Its too bad Toyota doesnt try to get into ALMS like the Honda is with their lmp. Honda, to me is out there for the right reasons and earning the approval through diligence and not some half assed schemes and scandal that follow toyota where ever they go. And for no other reason than to sell some extra cars in Europe-F1 and America-Nascar. Maybe Im jaded. Waltrip obviously, F1(rumour?). http://www.fastmachines.com/archives/f1/002604.php the WRC, http://www.rallye-info.com/seasoninfo.asp?series=1995

Whats up with that radio? Isnt the trans tied into there that way somehow?

They could call it whatever they want tocall it but Impala has a historical connection with Nascar. Toyota isnt involved with NASCAR to sell another Camry. Hint Hint: :AH-HA_wink: Read between the lines. In a recent interview, Jim Farley, the group vice-president for marketing at Toyota Motor Sales, said to me, "Camry has been the best-selling car in America for seven years now, so we didn't have to race on Sunday for the car business." btw, Is it true they threw $20 million$ at Dale Jarret for him to come aboard?

Sure is wacky fantastic, that SHAWD. Super awesome.

At least there is an explanation. ``Safety is important, but it's not a very big part of the truck market,'' Kwong said. ``They want to haul stuff, carry stuff.'' said Bill Kwong a spokesman for the company's U.S. operations in Torrance, California. The Toyota City, Japan-based automaker graded the Tundra at five stars in internal tests using NHTSA standards, he said. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206...&refer=asia

^ Theres plenty of weird ass mother f*ers wandering around here. Thats for damn sure. Well, now depends where you are. Chances are if you grew up on a horse farm you wont notice. But tell you what one stroll down Mulberry st. and you'll forget all about it. but be warned one block over is Chinatown. May smell good may smell like fish...You never know. sometimes you get coffee or butterscotch, too. (no one knows where the butterscotch comes from) Brooklyn is much better though, theres lots of good bakeries to keep you preoccupied. oh, but be careful. After 7:30 you will get mugged, beaten and possibly violated...sexually.

Dont forget the regressive nature of a tax is basically telling lower income families tough tits, get a better job, walk or take the bus. ---- -- As for war? Face the facts much of the world does not like the US or our policies. People will go to extraordinary lengths to kill us and our people. And its nothing recent. Since they blew up the USS Cole and killed our soldiers, destroyed Embassy after Embassy, and Marine Barracks with no commitment to a response. WTC 93 attack and 11-09-01 Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's Account Links 9/11 to '93 WTC Attack Terror ties. No Question About It (Saddam and Al Qaeda) Dont be so naive, this was a long time in the making. Guess who? In a 1998 interview, "We have seen in the last decade the decline of the American government and the weakness of the American soldier who is ready to wage Cold Wars and unprepared to fight long wars. This was proven in Beirut when the Marines fled after two explosions. It also proves they can run in less than 24 hours, and this was also repeated in Somalia. We are ready for all occasions. We rely on Allah." Osama bin Lada to ABC News reporter John Miller: This is about much more than oil.

Here, try one of these.

Lighten up, musclelips. It is a joke.

Consultants, Focus Groups and Lawyers.

Considering Toyotas sales consistently show year over year improvements, and is widely known that GM is reducing its fleet sales for good reasons, it may happen sooner than later. Unless of course GM China and now Brazil continue to pick up the slack. Brazil is now a bigger market for GM than Canada. Perhaps if ethanol ever takes off here things may become more optimistic. The Big 3 are supposed to meet with Pres. Bush at the White House again. Maybe they will get through to him this time.

No takers?

Nobody gets 50 phone books and starts making calls to conduct a survey. The data is collected from all sorts of places and typically chosen lottery style. The chances of getting a GM or Toyota person are for all intents and purposes equal. You can get a Toyota employee that was dismissed for drinking on the job as equally as as GM employee that was fired for being late to work. Also why there is a margin of error. Anyone remember the exit polls from the 2000 elections? Absolutely. People can have a favorable opinion of Toyota because they see they suppoty public broadcasting or GM because they know about Ethanol and the Volt concept. After it is deemed random the context of the question is far more valuable for contributing to its validity.

Its all a dream because at this time the Volt does not exist. thats putting a lot of faith into something you have no idea how long term reliability will pan out. I agree. Its amazing to me how a company that delivers on something like the z06 has not cracked this nut yet. Unless you consider the buses which stomp the Prius in every way possible. Unfortunately its not as socially cool to say I took a hybrid GM bus to work today.