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Very cool news, Rivian is partnering with Ionna and WeaveGrid for expanded charging. WeaveGrid and Rivian Collaborate to Deliver Advanced Grid-Integrated Charging Solutions | WeaveGrid Rivians Will Get Seamless Plug-And-Charge At Ionna Stations

If going by the story about live of the battery having 64% left based on their degradation, then that would be a 36% decrease in battery storage. I honestly do not think the battery degradation would be that great. We are also at the early stages of battery technology.

Is 20% greater than or less than 64% degradation?

I went to Lowes to get a few things to help a friend with an electrical project. 50 feet of Romex, 4 boxes, and a few other small items came to $129. If anyone thinks inflation isn't real and a problem, they are stoned. Also, the place is is always swamped on Sundays, it was a ghost town. Attractive Steam Locomotive.

I find my self looking for the indicator in the fuel gauge often, 50/50 in my household...Jeep and Equinox fuel door on the driver's side, Mustang and Cadillac on the passenger side. And the releases are all different... button on the lower left dash on the Jeep, push in on the fuel door w/ the Equinox, button in the glove box on the Mustang, remote for the Cadillac.

First random thought: It always makes for a sigh of relief when they hand me the keys to a Malibu Second random thought: I'm irritated by fuel tank filler doors that are not on the same side as the driver's door

No tough corner, it is amazing to think you feel there is no degradation in a 20yr old ICE auto. I know that both EV and ICE wear out, battery packs will outlive the actual EV and ICE auto. At this point we do not have enough data to know if the EV motors will lose as much hp/torque as an ICE does over 20yrs of use and depending on how an auto is cared for it can be big changes or minimal changes. I know my Escalade is in much better shape than most and being it is garage kept; it is out of the elements and sun just like my EV is. With that, I also know I have two oil leaks after 200,000 plus miles. The oil pan and another leak that I suspect is at the input of the transmission to the engine. Both are so minimal that the thousands it costs to repair the gaskets does not justify the expense. I can also tell you that the response of the V8 is NOT what it was when it was new. I do not expect the EV to be the same after 200,000 miles either. No corner here to worry about, both autos will wear out, I can also say that my Escalade does not get the 15 mpg it got new and now averages 12 mpg. A 20% decrease in MPG after 200,000 miles of use and 19 years old. With out a compression test, I could not tell you how worn the rings are, though since I have only ever used synthetic in the engine, I would have to think it is minimal as I do not burn any oil, but the overall engine has wear and tear and it is clearly tired in comparison to a new motor. End result is as the original story stated, the EV battery pack will outlive the auto and that will outlive most ICE auto's as while we have the average age now just a little over 12yrs old, most ICE are not on the road after 20 years.

I know you're put into a corner when you'll do anything to defend your EVs and your Escalade. It's tough to admit that your Escalade isn't wore out but you're trying to say 20 year old cars are all worn out at the same time.

No, it is not. A 20 year old ICE vehicle is not losing any SIGNIFICANT amount of range or power output. So you're basically saying your Escalade is a piece of junk at this point? It's 20 years old. I think we both know it's probably pretty close to OEM status when it comes to output and range, right? Even if they aren't as simple as a good tune-up away, they are still way closer to factory output and range than a 20 year old EV will be.

WOW, I get it that your stuck on the 64% capacity issue. Yet the same thing can be said for ICE A 20-yr old auto is NOT a tune up away from running near-new running condition. Never will be and the evidence of how moisture destroys an auto that has been sitting or only run in short local driving is everywhere. From gasket leaks due to age on just about every component that has a liquid to the rings on the piston that after 20 years of running will have blow by in not holding compression and cannot make the initial HP/Toque of when the engine is new. As one that grew up with building engines, transmissions and tune-ups on ICE, the clear evidence is both ICE and EV will still be around in 20 years, but how they work, and the power is very different. End result is the FUD that has been thrown at EVs is just that FUD as EVs is going to last just as long and in some cases could be longer as the auto industry has moved to superior insulation to avoid battery degradation, no different than how they realized heat shields play a pivotal role in maximizing the burning of unburnt hydrocarbons and how they use cats to clean up the exhaust. EVs batteries are already better in dealing with extreme cold and heat than earlier generation EVs and will only get better over time. In this regards the batteries will outlast most of the auto's life and still have a use which cannot be said for an ICE Motor without having to have it totally rebuilt. I respect your choice to feel how you feel just as I feel about batteries versus ice. Have a relaxing weekend with the family.

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Less complex auto....that needs pampering. Keep it cool, but not cold. Don't park it outside in the heat or it will degrade faster. Look for shade, especially when charging. Don't charge it too fast, or it will degrade faster. Know what battery chemistry you have because keeping the state of charge between 20% and 80% is best, unless you have a LFP battery. LFP batteries can accept full charges and last longer, possibly. There's been a study going against that, too. You and everybody else here knows I like EVs. I would love a Lightning or an R1S/R1T. I'm just not going to sit and read a BS article that tries to say EV batteries last longer than an ICE, because that's not what it's saying. It isn't saying it lasts longer than an internal combustion ENGINE. The batteries can last longer than the VEHICLE. An internal combustion ENGINE will still outlast an EV's battery. ~64% capacity after 20 years makes most anything out today worthless at 20 years old, unless you are the original owner. Nobody is buying an EV9 with ~150 miles of range in 20 years. People will still but an ICE vehicle that's 20 years old because they're almost certainly just a tune-up away from near-new running condition.

No, I am saying when you look at the grand whole picture, EVs will outlast ICE. If you follow the link on what that write up is based on and I guess I should have just done this as it has far better info, but on the extreme end of 1.8% degradation, you still get a solid output in the way the EV will drive and handle. EV Battery Health Insights: Data From 10,000 Cars | Geotab This gives a pretty solid picture and even they state that every year the batteries get better and better, and degradation is reduced. Picking on just a few negative points without looking at the bigger picture is just one way a person can read this, I look at it as the positive of a less complex auto lasting longer than a far more complex auto. I feel strongly that Hybrids, while they have their place for long distant driving, is NOT the right solution for most who just drive locally and at that average 40 miles a day for commuting.

So you're saying the source you linked to say EVs last longer than ICE, is wrong?

That is all the problems with Nissan Leaf current generation and Tesla where you have no insulation or proper management of the battery pack. Those auto companies that have gone 800V have done their work that it is not the issue it is stated to be.

What's even more ridiculous is that you basically need a climate controlled garage to really keep your battery in proper condition. So if I bought an EV without a garage, it will degrade faster than having a garage. It's a shame people buy EVs and then drive to work and park their cars OUTSITE...🙄 "Hot climates also increase battery degradation, so keep your EV in the shade if possible, especially when charging it."

So you're telling me your Escalade is making around 220hp now?!? Or would you say it feels just about as strong as it did when you first bought it? I would bet a good amount that it's making around 90% of it's original power numbers. And one great thing about ICE is that they aren't getting worse year over year for just sitting or hardly getting used. Your article states that a battery will degrade year over year regardless of it being used or not.

20yr old ICE is not making 90% of its hp/torque, those rings, transmission, gaskets, etc. and the overall condition would have it much less than that. Most engines are having to be rebuilt by 250k miles. Yes there are exceptions of those that are well taken care of and last a million miles,l but even then, they are not producing 90% of their HP and Torque and gas mileage is not what it was new either. Modeling of batteries is much beter than 64% also, We will have to take a wait and see attitude as electric motors have kept their output far longer than ICE motors as they age. I think it will come down to maintenance, garage kept versus sitting outside in the elements. Lots to be taken into account.

No, that is not the headline. "EV Batteries Can Easily Outlast A Typical Gas Car’s Lifespan: Study" What you said and what the article is about are two different things. A car's lifespan is almost always down to getting wrecked and totaled. "Over this generous timespan, EV batteries suffer from about 1.8% degradation per year. This means that you’ll lose 1.8% of the original range every year–not ideal, but certainly not a dealbreaker. After 20 years, if nothing goes catastrophically wrong, you can still enjoy 64% of an EV’s original range. The data comes from analyzing over 10,000 EVs." Oh wow, 64% battery capacity after 20 years? That makes most any EV pretty much done by 20 years. Nobody is buying an EV9 with 150 miles of range, and decreasing by the year. A 20 year old ICE vehicle still is making 90% of its total output and range.

Further proof that EVs last longer than ICE. EV Batteries Can Easily Outlast A Typical Gas Car’s Lifespan: Study

Every once in a while, I crave a Brazilian steakhouse buffet ... like now.

A shame this Nissan product is not here, it would stir excitement for their customers. I will say that the two-tone interior is nice.

We'll this tends to align with the U.S. going into a recession and the auto industry hurting. Business optimism collapses under Trump

Absolutely. EV's are becoming more popular here in Ohio. I think I am going to make a baby step and buy a Maverick Hybrid for my next car. This thing just has the look....

If someone has sex in Denver, does that make them a member of the "Mile High Club?"