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I would not worry to much about it. The vehicle is evolutionary and not radical. It builds off the current theme and is just better integrated. If you like the current vehicle you will like the new one. If not the reverse is true.

It has been a few years now and I forgot the specifics but at a Ride and Drive GM press event launching I believe a truck product (S-10 or something like that), the Lienarts got a little over zealous when testing the product. Like I said I forgot the specifics but they either flipped the vehicle or ran through a guard rail into another jouralist nearly missing them. It was something like that. It has been a while. But I just remember that they were being very irresponsible and after that lost the respect of many. After that GM put restraints on what can be done with the product at the press events.

Auto writers.

Grow some skin. Your arguement is still absurd. Not moronic or stupid. And honestly, you should read my posts because I do not mislead. If you have not figured it out, I actually have to know what is going on in this business. And have the ability to find out what I need to. This is not acually a hobby for me. Now let me educate you again. The Monte goes. That is 50k sales. Where is that going to be made up? Your limited adition V8 Camaro? I know not. And the Camaro potential is not niche. If you want me to go on, let me know? The GTO is niche.

I never said you did. Most auto writer suck. The Leinarts almost killed some of them years ago.

1 data point does not make for a trend! Anyone that says otherwise I laugh and smile at.

Who knows what really happened! And Consumers Report did not try to tip a Suzuki Sammuri a few years ago?

You have to understand the VDP timing to understand the 18 month time frame. I can assure you that if approved today it will not be on the market in 18 months. Whoever gave you that information does not understand the process. Add another 6-12 month bare minimum if the project is given the green light right now. Yes, GM is on a 18/24 month VDP, that does not mean this program is at the point to start that clock. The machine, the huge machine has not been set in motion. It will take time for the inertia to be over come once green lighted. I know first hand what the process is.

I wonder if that's what the honda mechanic who had to change all 4 struts on a brand new vehicle was muttering... [post="39902"][/post] You know what, that is just childish. These Ridgline owners came over here with good intensions to share their experiences and reasons for making the purchase they did. Personally I have learned a lot from their responses, particulary from their replies to my post on their site. I think it is time for some people or children around here just to grow up. You might learn a lot if you try to educate yourselves instead of hiding behind a wall of ignorance.

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I have never said a word about a concept Camaro. Yes "IF" GM gives the GMX &^1 program the green light, fast track still means app. 30 months until SOP. The RFQ's are not even out there yet. For any RWD program. For those that can't do the math - that is CY 2009.

The V6 is the base engine.

Why, because I tell you things that you do not like to hear. Last Feb. I outlined the damn program for the world to see. If you have read the post you mentioned, there was no mention that there would not be a V6 just that the product mix would lean to a more V8 powered mix. That is just speculation at this time. As I have posted many many many time, the Mustang means more to Ford than Camaro does to GM. GM is not expecting a Camaro to sell 200k vehicle like the Mustang. But GM knows the realities of that and will tool up to sell app. 70 - 100k. Even to get those number they have to offer a V6. You want public evidence - look at the all V8 GTO line up. And also last I checked there still is no Camaro program that is scheduled for production.

Yes it is.

Not looking to take sides, just pointing out the absurdity of the argument given the company is hemoraging money and what will actually happen if or when the green light is given.

Exactly, and how many people buy G Vans and Econolines today?

Don't you remember that Camaro thread I posted last year? Let the Mustang be your guide. Hell, let the past F-Body programs be your guide. GM does not need another niche vehicle in their portfolio that sells only 20k vehicles a year.

As of Friday any real program was STILL on hold.

Concept car and an approved program with timing and dedicated resources are two different things. Don't get your hopes up yet.

So don't comment and sound ignorant if you will not even take the time read.

"Honda is taking 3,000 units out of its January-March production plan. The full-year target was 50,000" People here read headlines, only.

Concept car and an approved program with timing and dedicated resources are two different things. Don't get your hopes up yet.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...5101901455.html

Lets be fair to the Ridgline and say it is too early to tell what the segment is going to do and if or when it will recover. The whole truck segment is currently emploding. All of GM's SUV's were down 50%, Explorer was down 2/3. There is an over all decline in the segment. Is this a blip on the charts or sustained market shift? Of course the Ridgline will be affected. Will it be catastrophic. Early indications are it may not be. But lets look again at what it did for October. Sales were up. Sustainable, probably not given the larger market. So Honda has stated they will align production with demand. This whole thread has been stupid, petty and childish and lead by narrow, biased view of the market. All of these "it is not a truck" biased opinion were said as the CRV's, RAV 4 were entering the market 10 years ago. You know what, that is where the market is heading. The Japanese were ahead of the curve then and they still are. The Ridgline is another case of Honda creating and filling a new niche in the market. Big deal Honda put 1000 bucks on the Ridgline. How much was GM and Ford putting on all of their vehicles. What about their engineering, marketing costs? Give me a break. In todays market, for a vehicle priced at $30,000 selling 40 - 60k is great volume. And they are hitting their target. Honda Oct sales were just about even last month. That can not be said about GM and F.

Dave was forced out because of personality confilicts with Chief of Chief Engineer Terry Woychowski during a recent reorg. The Corvette stove pipe is over. What that means to the future of the Vette is a question mark. But Dave's hands off the Vette empire is over and the Vette team is just like every other program at the General.