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^ You are conflating assembly point with company home country. - - - - - The infinitesimal differences in maximum rated towing or payload do not drive sales by themselves, as the major players are commonly within a few percentage points of each other. This has been patiently explained here numerous times; the 'top number' in a given criteria doesn't drive sales by itself. Ram TD has 1,075 TRQ whereas GMC/ Chevy has 910, but the Ram doesn't handily outsell its competition, thusly disproving your 'model'. Because that's exactly it- (and with trucks especially); they need to be competitive. And they are, and then truck consumers pick the BEST BALANCE of features and capabilities and personal preferences and PRICE and buy 'X'. The Tesla pickup tries to pass off uncompetitiveness in product with "re-invention", and it's just laughable. And what little actually tangible things it does offer (the front trunk, no fuel costs... I can't think of anything else) are going to be offered by a host of competitors by the time it ever gets out. Couple that with the LACK of certain features and it has an immense uphill battle for marketshare. When you ignore the vast data set of the 'Phoenix Rising' of pickups over the last 50 years and instead take a hard left turn and try to pitch it as 'This is what you really want', it just comes off as ill-prepared and unresponsive.

It take exponential HP/TRQ to get that quick. A 808/770 car going 9.6 CANNOT go 8.6 with -say-909/870. I'd bet that COPO Camaro in the 8s is packing over 1050/1000. My brother's Firebird ran 9.6-9.8 with a just-under 700hp 406CI (car much lighter than a Challenger). His new motor dyno'd at just over 1100, the calculation (in the same car) puts it in the 8.4-8.5 range. That's 400 HP to gain a sec+ at the 8-9 sec range. Look at the Tesla Plaid- has hit in the very low 9s (unknown to what degree it was modified). That car stock is rated at 1020 total HP (COPO Camaro would be WAY lighter). Of course- the Tesla has no transmission (and AWD). With the TRQ peak at X RPM, factoring in the gears & traction... it's a significant and brutal load on a trans. Prudent move is to start with the strongest base. There's a very real reason the COPO went with the TH400 (hint: it wasn't laziness and they aren't using up a stockpile of 33+-yr old transmissions). If I recall correctly; the Challenger was built around the ZF trans, which I'm seeing has a TRQ limit of... 770 lb-ft. ?

Mostly true. One could argue tho, that a motor vehicle is a pretty huge expense... making it a leading candidate for a different type of recycling :

Not ‘burnt down’; burnt out motor. ?

Just bolt a Gear Vendors OD unit out the back; keep the bulletproof strength of the TH400 and add 3 more gears. Done. Most modern OD’s wouldn’t handle the TRQ of a 572.

^ True- the COPO's aren't street legal. But they are factory-built, and the same engines are factory-available for installation in your burnt-out Model S. More to the point; its a factory-built powertrain that goes 8's in the quarter- even in a street-legal car it should be in the 9s no problem.

Will Competition Destroy Tesla? Apparently... not from this quarter :

I apparently mis-interpreted the chart. I believe it is showing the quantified emissions associated with maintenance, not necessarily the cost. How (or why) they tabulated that I have no idea.

With a tried & true Turbo HydraMatic 400 3-spd, this rig is solid in the 8's :

^ Yet Tesla is raising prices monthly despite these claimed lower costs…

^ You don't want Venice Beach property today! - - - - -

^ This has been reasonably established. BEV fans have trumpeted 'like, no maintenance costs!!' then '80% less maintenance', yet the municipal cost analysis showed BE's cost MORE to maintain, and that chart David posted the other day showed maintenance costs to be nearly equal. Now we have this cost comparison. BEV fans will still laugh/dismiss these data sets. The early spin was advertising schlock, and that was obvious. Rabid fans will slurp that up as if they've never cast a 'critical thinking eye' on automotive advertising before, when the logical & prudent approach is; let's see what ACTUALLY happens. The #1 problem is still cost disparity, the bulk of which is on the Monroney sticker.

Just over 2200 SF 1-story here, plus unfinished basement, attached 2-car garage, and detached 1152 SF 4-car garage. I think my ideal would be closer to 2500 SF (there's 4 people in here currently), and I'd ideally like the detached to be... attached. I could use a 6 car garage there (currently 3 in the 4-bay now). Make it 8. So.... a 2500 SF ranch, with an attached 10 car garage. Make it 12.

4-doors = endless sadness....... Just kill it off and close the book. Call the Mach-E answer the 'Berlinetta' or something.

Way too overwrought.

Those haven't been "displacement" badges in a decade; s550 has been an 's470' since 2012. So they haven't meant anything in a while, and they mean even less going forward. It's not that much larger, but it's a half ton fatter...

Spotless '57 Bel Air hardtop, red, cruisin'.

Some kind of aftermarket package- there's chrome 'straps' on the deck, big grille topper and that halo vinyl top isn't factory (tho it looks nice). I can still picture this: was over an acquaintances house once after school, walked across the lawn; their driveway was 'cut into' the terrain, so when you walked up to toward the driveway your feet would be about 2 feet higher than the driveway. There was a brand new Seville, all red metallic, and it had the thicker brushed Elegante' sweepspear down the side. From above, in profile, it looked amazing.

What do the names mean?

Hybrids are still IC.

^ Well... ONE myth busted according to the above chart is that vehicle maintenance is nearly identical, and no where near the '80% less' some claims have made. But we knew that already.