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  1. The Leaf isn't for everyone, but it will probably work for the majority of people. When one considers that the Volt production will represent well under 0.1% of the market this year and well under 1% for many years to come you start to realize how "honest" it is for GM to try to convince the majority that the Leaf won't work for them. I understand that he is spinning the Volt's strengths and I am not going to fault him for that. But we should recognize that it is more "fear mongering" than "honest". e.g. "The Leaf is a single-purpose car": I guess if a car is 'single-purpose' then satisfying 80+% of commuters daily needs is a good one. This is about as honest as me saying that the Volt is 'single-purpose' because it only has room for four people and the Leaf has room for five. GM is probably a little bit worried that Nissan is finally starting to ship the Leaf to NA and last month it outsold the Volt.
  2. I haven't read the article, but it sounds like Consumer Reports panned it because of high cost and poor electric range and ICE MPG. I think they were seeing ~25 miles electric range due to their cold temps. I understand the main point they were trying to make is how the Volt doesn't make economic sense. I don't know where they get this stuff Perhaps it is still to early to tell, but there are hints that GM is already seeing some sales problems with the Volt. Even though they are three months into sales and still only selling 300/month, they are already pulling ahead the nation-wide rollout and the dealer demos. They've delivered ~900 Volts and the listings on autotrader.com are up to 205 (Feb saw an increase of ~65 on deliveries of 280). Even with the limited volume and market, one frequently sees dealers trolling for sales on GM-Volt.com. Even though I was never a Volt fan, I never imagined that they would have any trouble all they could make for the first year or so.
  3. I believe we now know that an application of the brakes will stop even a Toyota which IS experiencing run-away acceleration. So therefore anyone who experienced a prolonged incident did not apply the brakes. If the floor mat was in the way then I can understand how that might happen. Other than that it was driver pedal misapplication. With all the old people buying Toyotas I don't know why this would shock us. Whenever a vehicle runs into a building or into a crowd I always 'joke' that it must have been a Buick, as that most often seems to be the case. But of course I never blamed Buick for this; it is just that Buicks tend to be driven by fossils. So the floor mat recall seems legitimate. But after that it all becomes questionable. Because contrary to your post this issue was sensationalized by the media and the US government. The accelerator pedal may not have been perfect, but it wasn't the cause. It seems that recall was mostly Toyota doing damage control for being blamed for not "doing enough". And much of that blame was for not admitting/recalling the very 'issue' for which they have been absolved by this recent finding! You might want to read this, especially the section "Media coverage and criticism": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_recall It is full of little gems which directly contradict your post, but here's a sample: "Further analysis of the NHTSA complaint database also revealed that many acceleration complaints featured multiple factors, including DUI and reckless driving, which were typically not disclosed in news reports. In July 2010, Forbes faulted the Los Angeles Times for inaccurately reporting on an alleged Toyota runaway crash by failing to mention that the involved driver was indicted for vehicular manslaughter and driving under the influence of marijuana."
  4. "A123, which makes batteries for the Chevrolet Volt." No, they don't. A123 lost out to LG Chem. Argh.... the media is so crappy.
  5. Mark sure seems to be the standout Volt supporter. "The Volt's wheels are turned by electricity only -- not by the gasoline engine." That's wrong. It is a shame when an article which is supposed to inform does the exact opposite. I guess GM's... intentional incorrectness... on this issue has had the intended effect.
  6. If you look at the sticker it appears like the Volt is being compared "among all other vehicles" and comes out on top with a 60MPGe. However (apparently) because the Leaf can't burn gas it was excluded from that graph. Otherwise that "60MPGe Best" would look pretty bad only 2/3rds of the way to the "99MPGe" Leaf. What makes it even more interesting is that the next two graphs DO include the Leaf. That sure was "lucky" for GM Not so good for the consumer who only sees the Volt label and is not properly informed.
  7. This is actually a fairly complicated thing to "dumb down", which apparently is what the US consumer requires. I hope the EPA will make all the meaningful numbers available in a white paper for those who are interested and have the capability to use it.
  8. Assuming they use 3/gallon and only one charge/per day for the plugins, we should see something similar to: Prius: $900 Volt: ~$800 Plug-in-prius: ~$750 Leaf: $561. A Corolla would be $1,500.
  9. "The Volt does everything we said it was going to do the very first day we announced it -- and more...” Talk about a re-writing of history. Sure, they did build the car, but that statement goes a bit far. Some examples: ICE MPG: 50 --> ~35 Total Range: 640miles --> ~300miles EV Range "more than 60 city kilometers of pure electric" --> 25-50miles under 'moderate' conditions Fuel: "designed to run on E85" --> Premium only Price: Sub 30K --> 41K Drivetrain: All-electric --> hybrid E-Flex Applicable to a wide range of vehicles --> not applicable for vehicles larger than the volt, smaller than the volt, or more luxurious than the volt Styling: GM wrote of the concept: "The Volt's athletic design challenges the notion that an environmentally conscious vehicle can't be beautiful and possess an aesthetic spirit that matches its driving characteristics." --> Later we were told that it had horrible aerodynamics... I think it was Lutz that joked it was more aerodynamic backwards than forwards etc.
  10. Can someone correct the sub title of the thread to be "Up 1.1%"? GM's been doing this "core brand" reporting for quite some time now. Maybe they can fool the general public, but we should know better. Anyone know the overall increase/decrease for the US market? It looks like a lot of the companies were up 15-40%. It seems both GM and Toyota lost a fair amount of ground.
  11. But can it seat 5? I know, that isn't one of the approved criteria. I think you can take the "freeway merging" out of the mix. It sounds like the Leaf will be just as fast as the Volt. Rumors are (I don't know if I believe it yet) 0-60 time of 7s. I`m having trouble finding the reference (so hopefully I`m not complete mistaken), but I believe I read that at under 15 degrees the engine would come on as soon as the car was started. I`m still trying to find confirmation that the Volt has any ability to heat or defrost the windshield without running the ICE. The information from GM that I have seen refers to heat coming form the ``on-board generator`` (i.e. ICE). So sure it will drive you around on a 10 degree day, but at that point you are essentially driving a $40K mid-30ish MPG gas car. Prius or Plug-in-Prius will do that for $10-$15K less up front and get significantly better fuel economy (and seat 5 ). You also have to ask how well that center stack is going to work trying to use the conductivity of your finger when you are wearing big winter gloves. A Leaf won`t have as good a range when it gets cold. But if the range is sufficient then a driver can drive the Leaf with no gas whereas the Volt is essentially a gas powered electric generator at cold temps.
  12. I don't know if you have noticed yet, but they REALLY didn't build the car they claimed they would. We've already talked about how they missed on style, price, volume, ICE MPG, etc... but now we can add the fundamental nature of the vehicle (i.e. ICE driving the wheels) to the mix. I suspect that to you these are minor details, but they are significant in discussing what exactly GM built in the Volt. But yes, for the zillionth time, I didn't think they would bother building this car. Perhaps I gave GM management too much credit. I certainly failed to see the extent of how Prius-Envy controlled their lives. At least it sounds like they have realized their mistake and are moving on to plan B (their first mainstream real hybrid car) and C (full EV).
  13. Lifetime: 2284 miles 38.6 MPG
  14. I think you are right that they never state the number of charges over the 299 miles. But I also agree with your math for the 122 miles they did measure. I found it strange that they only got 36.3 electric but then managed 52.4 on the ICE. EVs like the Volt seem to be wildly affected by a lot of different variables. Also agree that those are respectable numbers. MT seems to really like the Volt.

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