Camino LS6

I like a bit more depth with my hard edge.

Oh, come on!

Maybe we shouldn't talk music, Balthy...

I mean, at least Metallica has talent.... The ramones, well,...

because interstates have minimum limits.

and for those that are the law enforcement

Love those guys!

They crashed at my place way back when after a show in Philly - what a great time!

Postponed!

My friend with the scan tool can't make it until tomorrow night.

The automotive gods are not smiling on me yet.

To each his own indeed, Balthy. Never thought much of Metallica, myself. But I could wail through the gears to either song.

And yes, I did listen to your pick - did you listen to mine?

I did (tho I skipped forward a bit). To my ear it comes off not unlike a video game soundtrack. Could not stand them back in the day, same stands today, but that's just me. I need a much harder edge.

Have been having an ongoing discussion with a younger friend of mine (19), and he claims the best decade overall is the '80s, and he pulls up numerous musical references to 'prove' his point. He has yet to sway my opinion. It wasn't the worst, but it wasn't all that, either.

The 80s ?

Ugh, the death of all that was ever good in music!

I like a harder edge sometimes as well, but I'd lean toward something like Deep Purple rather than Metallica.

I like a bit more depth with my hard edge.

I think a Cadillac Volt won't sell, the Volt has sluggish sales, a more expensive, less practical version could be a real sales dog. I would rather see them make a hybrid ATS and/or CTS. To put a hybrid drivetrain in an existing car would cost less, and probably sell better. And diesel will be nice too.

I think it's more that GM needs to spread the investment in the Volt hardware across multiple models...

Spending more money to make a car that will sell maybe 500 cars a month and possibly steals sales from the Volt is going to be more profitable? Maybe it will be, but I have doubts. At one time they tried to spread costs of the W-body across 5 brands, or the GMT360 across 5 brands, 4 minivans, etc. All those badge jobs just led to lost money, and I realize this isn't a straight badge job. But still, hybrid luxury cars aren't selling the sales charts on fire, Cadillac should have one, but perhaps a CTS hybrid would be the cheapest and easiest to make, and sell the most.

Look at current luxury cars sales, Mercedes is dominating right now, and fuel efficiency isn't their strength. So while I think a "green" car is important I wouldn't make it a priority; performance, technology and engineering seem to matter more to luxury buyers. If Cadillac can do all the other stuff well, then throw on fuel economy as a bonus that is great. But for fuel economy to be the #1 attribute isn't the way to go.

The difference here is that the ELR (if it stays true to concept), will be the only EV not priced like a house that looks great.

That alone will sell this car.

The other choices are appliances or exotics, so the ELR will stand alone in that sense.

Holy camshaft, Batman!

Welcome to C&G. And Welcome back, DF...haven't seen you around in ages.

I second this!

Now THERE"S a band /song I haven't thought of in ages!

Certainly fits the bill too.

To each his own indeed, Balthy.

Never thought much of Metallica, myself.

But I could wail through the gears to either song.

And yes, I did listen to your pick - did you listen to mine?

One of mine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=liikCN_-Zco

All of that aside, the parts are quite simple and easily re-arranged. I'm not hung up on this system as a restriction, GM's own concept of the "skateboard" shows the way.

Remember that?

Seems to me that it would be easier, simpler, and less-expensive to make this sort of change with electric than it would to convert a gas powered car from FWD to RWD.

No physical connection from the engine to the wheels opens up more options.

Still, as I said before, I don't advocate scrapping the current plan to get there.

It would simply take too long, and delay a great-looking car from production.

I think I'm with Samadei - the engineering looks simple enough.

This defines lame...

Don't get me wrong, I don't think that GM should just scrap their plans to use the Volt drivetrain for the ELR. That just wouldn't make sense.

However, A RWD electric Caddy also makes sense.

If they aren't working on it, they should be (Fisker,Tesla).

Not so much wrong, as too early - and possibly unecessary.

The loaner option was just announced, and well received, they should have waited a bit for things to clarify before saying anything about a buyback.

The press will spin this into an ugly thing that could damage the Volt (and GM) needlessly.

Reactions to things like this require proper timing, that's all.

Amen to that, Z!

I have no argument with that.

But I still think that the announcement is premature and over-reacts.

That can be remedied.

I think that the journalism major is a fine idea.

The buy-back thing seems a bit premature to me.

Probably not too smart to announce that idea.

No need to move the engine, Hyper.

Just the drive motors.

I liked that interior just fine...

Great condition, but a bit blah.

Price is just ok.

Half a cheer.