Robert Hall

I seem to recall reading about that somewhere years ago..a google turned a bit more info (not sure if it's accurate):

Cadillac thought that people who lived in the city would want a smaller Cadillac for parking. The Park Avenue was outsold by the hardtop Sedan DeVille by a wide margin. I guess the buyers wanted the longest car they could afford in the early 60's. ..have seen them with buckets in the front, as well as a bench.

'61 the car was a Series 62 six-window model (no deVille version), and was called the Short-Deck Sixty Two Sedan. In '62 the car was referred to as the Town Sedan, but was a four-window model. The deVille version was called the Park Avenue Sedan deVille. In '63 there was a deVille version only, and it was once again called the Park Avenue Sedan deVille.

I'd never heard of a Cadillac Park Avenue before.

Moltar, I got thinking, what a hoot it would be to drop a GM hybrid in a car like this '57 Pontiac. The future and past melding, becoming one.

Yeah, kind of something like Neil Young's electric Contintental.

I noticed that too...I'm probably being too hard on that 'future' car, but something about it just riles me to no end.

Huge contrasts here...I don't have to have a '57 Pontiac replicar, but man, I want a little sexy style when I buy a new car.

I never want to resort to

'that' other car. I'll walk first.

I'm sure with a little effort the other car can be made flashier--maybe chrome spinner hubcaps, a big rear wing, bodykit... I don't think I've seen one customized (besides the convertible on Autolog a while back).

There is kind of a neat 'past in the foreground, future in the background' contrast to yer sig...

The next Nox looks pretty good... I like how the interior has styling cues shared with the Malibu, Traverse, even the Camaro (the guages remind of the Camaro).... I like the forward-leaning C-pillar and the big wheel arches.

Actually I always liked the SSR, I know it was a Trailblazer but it looked sweet, and it actually had a trunk on a two seat roadster you could use. It sitll could tow 3,500 lbs and load up with some things at Lowes. Also I have seen them pulling small speed boats with a matching paint job on the SSR they look sweet. As for the Excursion so it didn't ride well, that thing had a certain appeal to me in a land full of low to the ground Camri's you gotta love a big a$$ BOF SUV, yes I had driven one with the old 7.3 TD and loved it. It was like driving a train! Shame they redid the front end and never got rid of that crummy 6.0 TD. Camaro will not be the same as the SSR much more affordable and larger appeal even to G-Series buyers and so on.

I used to work with a guy that had both a diesel Excursion and a diesel F350 Crew Cab longbed (alternated driving them w/ his wife).. I remember he had trouble navigating the parking garage at work because of their size. The Excursion was fun to go out to lunch in, could cram almost the whole team in it.

Back in the summer when gas prices were over $4 dollars a gallon, the New York Times ran an article featuring him and his family, spotlighting the pain of the high gas prices on families that live in distant exurbs and commute to the city.

Picture taken this evening, myself and Ginger in her 'Kenny' parka:

SIGG classic water bottle-$18+s/h

Nalgene widemouth-$11.50+s/h

I carry one of those Naglene bottles around all the time...living in a very dry place, I drink a lot of water...cheaper than carrying a bottled water all the time.

I hit a sobriety checkpoint a little while ago on my way to go pick up a movie. Cop asked if I had been drinking. I asked if he had any reason to believe I had been. He said no, I stonewalled, he sent me on my way.

We went out to a very cool trendoid bistro for dinner and I slammed 3 coconut mojitos...good think I wasn't drving

Rob druk

I've been a lifelong fan of walking. When I was 2, I wandered off into a summer cornfield for a long walk and panicked my grandmother. It was so relaxing, walking between rows of corn, letting the big green leaves softly brush my bare torso, pollen from the tassels falling into my light blond hair. It seemed so endless...

We had a .75 mile farm lane, my cousin and I used to walk to the house in Spring afternoons after getting off the school bus.

+1 one the walking...my folks' farm in eastern Ohio has a lane that's about 9/10s of a mile, lined with linden trees on both sides and a creek parallel to the lane..the house, guest house, barn, garages, etc are up in the bowl of a heavily wooded valley, with a couple of 6-10 acre farm ponds nearby.. Very quiet there. As a kid, I used to walk down the lane to get the mail, catch the school bus, etc. I loved walking it fall afternoons after school when the leaves were down the lane..

Here in Phoenix, besides swimming in the pool, I've been getting exercise by walking up and down the streets in my neighborhood... a 6'0", 225 lb guy walking a 3lb Yorkie on a leash...

I love swimming..one of the nice things about living in Arizona with a swimming pool in the back yard, and one thing that makes the summer heat tolerable. I tried to get in every day between May and the end of September. In Colorado, my condo complex has a pool, but it's not heated so I couldn't use it in the winter...

I used to ride my mountain bike quite a bit, that is pretty good exercise, but I lost interest.

Not calling you on it because you didn't invent it, but the term "starter marriage" makes me cringe. At least, if they got out with no kids, then they can look back and say "whew." It's also so reminiscent of those jaded and calloused "Sex and the City" snatches...you find those types in NY, LA or SF. Yeah, they have the female plumbing but they're as tough as, or tougher than, guys and have a "notch on the lipstick case" mentality. I can't stand kids and have never wanted any, neither my own nor someone else's.

How did this thread derail? Wasn't this all about food? And then how foods changed the ejaculate? Isn't it pineapple, kiwi, strawberries and all that stuff that sits at the beginning or ending of the buffet or brunch line?

Moltie: I like that LeMans variant in your current sig...75 to 77? Which powerplant?

Well, this is C&G, so the threads meander all over the place...

Speaking of second wives, a friend of mine in Denver, a good Canadian guy from Regina, married a 40-something blonde stock broker from LA who is a retired semi-pro beach volleyball player...she has a wierd perma-tan and looks orange..very fit, but her face is like leather..too much sunshine. They had a hard time w/ envitro, etc to have their twins a couple years ago.

The car is a '77 Can Am, they had the 400 and some had the 403. I remember those fondly from childhood, there was one that sat for a while on the lot at the Pontiac dealer in my neighborhood (Montgomery Pontiac, Steubenville, Ohio).

Pontiac Can Am

Some is better than sitting on the couch complaining about your "damned genetics" while you eat a deep fried Twinkie that you bought at Wal-Mart, but had a hard time getting because they're on the 3rd shelf up and you didn't want to get out of the electric shopping cart.

Definitely...I couldn't imagine living like some of the fat f*cks I see out there...I've maintained my weight, mildly pudgy, but I don't want to get any bigger.

I've had free gym memberships (Ballys and then Golds) with companies I've worked at previously, but never really got into a pattern of going often... I'm not much a gym person myself, prefer to walk around the neighborhood and walk around downtown...not enough exercise, but some.

I've worked w/ people before that seem fanatical about training all the time--running every morning before work, running marathons on the weekend, biking every weekend, etc... maybe I'm lazy, but I just can't get interested in that..I'll admit I'm not athletic in the least, nor am a video gamer.

Why does it have the NATO logo on the trunk?

Interesting..it was a product of its times...cool space age cold war design..

I'd rank 'em

1 Lincoln

2 Cadillac

3 Imperial

To me, the '61 Imperial looks too '50s with the fins and the free standing headlights are over the top in wierd, IMHO. Interesting nonetheless, though. But I just love the clean, crisp design of the Lincoln..very understated with minimal brightwork, a break from the '50s and the beginning of an uniquely '60s design trend...the Caddy is very crisp and angular, also an improvement over the '50s looking '60, IMHO.

Styling was pretty diverse back then--no one would ever confuse an Imperial for a Cadillac or a Lincoln or vice versa...

DWI

>>"I'm afraid a Buick won't be a hardtop with tailfins and be 225 inches long again. "<<

Yet another assumption, yet again incorrect.

I never saw the reasoning behind pigeonholeing people based on casual associations.

Have I ever advocated a 'hardtop or else' POV RE a future Buick? Ever once read anything from me suggesting something from 1959 return in the next Buick? No.

You really don't get sarcasm, do you? I know you aren't Sixty Eight (he'd want the '59 styling w/ ht and fins). I was being sarcastic to highlight your typical posting tone--your posts frequently come off like a grumpy old man who's always blathering about things were better 50 years ago or whatever. Lighten up.

This Hyundai is so listless, so boring, so banal, so snoozefest, I'm having trouble keeping awake.

To even entertain the idea that this is what Buick or Cadillac aspire to, is beyond comprehension.

A complete insult to those storied brands.

You and Balthy missed the point competely. I never said anything about the Genesis styling.... was talking about the content for the price point...the Genesis has it all over the dated Lucerne.

I saw Rick & Fritz on CSPAN this afternoon... was interesting, they talked about the timeline over the last couple of days when talked w/ the White House.

>>"The Genesis is the car Cadillac wishes it had."<<

More assumptive bull&#036;h&#33;.

Actually, Cadillac has nothing in it's line currently that matches the Genesis V8 on spec at that price point. Fact. Read over the Genesis specifications. It's dull looking, but it's very modern in content.

Umm, where did I say that?

Thought so.

Neither of these is a Buick as it should be,

so save yourself the trouble of telling us

we'd all love it with a Tri-Shield on the grille.

Whatever....I'm afraid a Buick won't be a hardtop with tailfins and be 225 inches long again. So what's you bright idea about what a future Buick top of the line model should be?

triage

Wow- such a touchy-feely love-in for hyundai going on here ! Run right out & place yer orders, guys, yer dream sedan is here!

>>"Put some port holes on the front fenders, Buick badges, and waterfall grille and everyone here would be going ga-ga over it. "<<

Bull&#036;h&#33;. Everyone here would be moaning that it's not a Buick. And how can you presume to speak for others? You're not speaking for me, I can tell you that.

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And you think the Lucerne with it's FWD and dated transmission is a better Buick? The Genesis is everything that would make a great top of the line Buick..the styling needs a bit of work, but you can't argue with the specification.

The Sonata is the Malibu, the Azera is the LaCrosse and the Genesis is the Lucerne (if we're talking Buicks)...

Yes, but unfortunately, the Lucerne is a FWD car w/ a 4spd transmission. Not quite up to the Genesis specs. I'd love to see a next-gen Lucerne of that level of specification (i.e. like the China-market Park Avenue), but I don't think it's going to happen.