Drew Dowdell

I didn't say you couldn't criticize it. I said it was silly to say the Germans are so much better when in the same price block, they are massively overpowered by the Cadillac, the only cars that come close to it for performance are a good $30k-$40k more, and even then the winner of any competition would be decided on driver skill. The CTS-V is a driver's car. I never felt a gross lack of luxury in the CTS-V, and I frequently ride to work in a 3-series or C-class. The C-class is thoroughly unimpressive to me for how much people go on about it. It certainly has no plastic deficit over the Cadillac.

I have, not a V-series. Any noticeable difference in driving dynamics vs. the other bodystyles? would you believe I've only had coupes and wagons for this generation? I've never actually driven the sedan. That said, you can really feel the weight in the wagon. I thought they had given me the 3.0 version, but it was the 3.6.

From a financial standpoint, it was probably a smart move. Chevy already sells many more 4-cylinder Malibus than V6es.

I have, not a V-series.

exactly!

Good, at least it'll be getting one. Remember, there was supposed to be an interior refresh for 2012 that was announced at the Coupe's launch. Cadillac knew it was barely class-competitive even back in 2010. Those are a bunch of excuses that doesn't really explain anything adequately. If GM was trying to cut costs and just get the thing to market, then why not keep costs down by re-using the CTS sedan's rear bench? It seats 3 and has an armrest. I really, really have a hard time believing that it just cost so much to put even a fixed armrest back there that it would have killed the project and forced GM to raise the MSRP so much that no one would ever buy it. Also, I'm not taking it personally that you don't put people in the back seat--you're the one rolling your eyes and telling me I should pray for Jesus to buy me a Mercedes because I find fault with the rear seat--that kind of attitude is just completely unprofessional and inappropriate given that I was criticizing GM and the car, not you. You're making it personal, when I'm just faulting the car. Maybe you'll understand better if you and Albert ever decide to settle down or even maybe adopt--but you shouldn't have to sacrifice fun for practicality. I can drive 55 in a CTS coupe, but I can't fling an Enclave around the twisties. Again, , it was a last minute design that needed Welburn and Lutz to push it through. I'm rolling my eyes at the idea that the best luxury high performance coupe on the market is being judged not on the merits of it's performance or absolutely sublime front seats, but on the quality or lack thereof of the rear seat cup holder. It is just as eye roll worthy as the Great Enclave Manu-Matic shift debate of 2007. You'd be better off with a B-Body wagon it sounds.

Roll your princess eyes all you want, but I've complained about this on all CTS Coupe trims since release. It is inexcusable for a luxury car to lack a rear armrest if it has a rear seat. I also don't care WHAT they use as trim as long as there is SOMETHING in the rear seat. Again, it's a luxury car--there shouldn't be a huge disconnect between the front and rear halves of the interior. When your $50,000 car only has a cheap hunk of metallic plastic for "trim" in the rear, you have a problem. Then Croc, ask the Lord to buy you a Mercedes-Benz. It's a free country. I prefer the vast performance advantages over the other German coupes. It's just going to be Albert and I 99.9% of the time... I really don't care what my backpack thinks of the back seat. If you're so concerned about back seat luxury and comfort in your high end sports car, maybe you can petition Buick to make you an Enclave GS. Why can't I have both? ANSWER ME THIS: WHY do the CTS sedan and CTS wagon have substantially more luxurious rear accommodations than the CTS coupe?? PLEASE tell me in what world that makes sense. And no, I won't just go and buy a Mercedes-Benz because I don't care for them and I support American businesses and workers, anyway. Why should I have to settle? Cadillac wants to play with the big boys, then they're getting judged with the big boys. Honestly, why are you throwing so much attitude at me and taking MY criticisms of the interior (which are clearly shared by a couple posters) so goddamn personally? You turning into some kind of fanboi?? Sedan and Wagon were planned from the start. The Coupe came about when a designer was working late one night and just doodling ideas when Ed Welburn wandered over (as Ed relayed the story to me). As for the room, they were working within the confines of a platform that was not initially intended for the type of car they were building. As for baubles and brightwork, this was planned as a low volume car for the U.S. only market at a time when GM was steaming straight into bankruptcy. They never thought it would sell as well as it has. Why are you taking it personally that I don't put people in the back of my cars? I think the rear seat of my Toronado has been used one week (when we had out of country visitors) out of the year that I've owned it.

The next M6 will probably have the same specs as the M5 in a year or two...but those cars are at a much higher price point than the CTS-v..as far as Mercs go, the E-class coupe isn't available in AMG spec in the US, is it? just in time for the CTS refresh (2 years)

The interior, while sedate, is reasonably handsome... good to see they kept the K-Mart LCD clock though. That's getting to be a Toyota quirk like SAAB console mounted ignition.

M5 = not a coupe + less torque + just barely out porks the CTS-V coupe

I see that despite being all new and re-invented, the stupid shift-gate on the 2012 Camry has remained the same.....

Roll your princess eyes all you want, but I've complained about this on all CTS Coupe trims since release. It is inexcusable for a luxury car to lack a rear armrest if it has a rear seat. I also don't care WHAT they use as trim as long as there is SOMETHING in the rear seat. Again, it's a luxury car--there shouldn't be a huge disconnect between the front and rear halves of the interior. When your $50,000 car only has a cheap hunk of metallic plastic for "trim" in the rear, you have a problem. Then Croc, ask the Lord to buy you a Mercedes-Benz. It's a free country. I prefer the vast performance advantages over the other German coupes. It's just going to be Albert and I 99.9% of the time... I really don't care what my backpack thinks of the back seat. If you're so concerned about back seat luxury and comfort in your high end sports car, maybe you can petition Buick to make you an Enclave GS.

This is how much of a change the 2012 Camry really is:

I'm seeing reports that a building has collapsed in Richmond, but no more details.

My office has 55" plasmas hanging from the ceiling. They were swaying noticeably.

They don't have any Turbo 4 alternatives to use. I still think this is an "all new" Camry the same way the 2006 Impala was "all new"

Felt pretty strong here.... I was 14 stories up at the time. Could see other buildings shaking.

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