Drew Dowdell

Well, I'm gay, so it doesn't much matter to me.... but hell man, she couldn't get you on the phone, so she just bought the car anyway. For me that would be like coming home one day and my BF saying, "I saw this Toronado for sale but couldn't get you on the phone... so I just bought it anyway." As good as the Camaro is.... it's definitely the wife who's the keeper.

a 7 passenger MPV wouldn't have sold like the HHR. A small CUV is definately needed in the Chevy lineup, but I don't see that as mutually exclusive to the HHR. The HHR is just a Cobalt wagon and the expectations of it should be as such. An Epsilon based 7-passenger MPV would supplement the HHR quite nicely. B0ut lets not pretend that this is Europe, MPVs are not popular here and even a segment best MPV would only sell in limited numbers. HHR was a way for GM to get more profit out of the Delta platform. As long as the car is profitable, selling well, and helping GM's reputation, I'm all for GM selling them even if I'm not personally interested in one.

Ok... subtract all the HHR fleet. It still outsells the next best seller! Wait... what?!? The Rondo and Mazda 5 are nothing more than 2007 versions of a Dodge Colt Vista And then they had the Turbo version.

enough pictures of the car, what about pics of the wife?

edit: Nevermind, it's definitely not him if you look at that poster's history.

Chevy is the best selling brand in Pittsburgh 7 years in a row.

why does VCM hurt it? Shouldn't it be all hands on deck when the throttle is mashed?

Linky Though the Malibu comes in 1st in best overall value it comes in second to the Accord in final pick, but look at all the praise for the Malibu and how they trash the Camry! On the interior: On exterior style: On drive train: They need to test again when the 6-speed/4-cylinder combo comes out. No mention of it in the article but a big to Chevy for not having that at release. Overall:

That must have been a quickie for them. I'd have had the whole car cleaned, compounded, and polished.

I wouldn't look towards the 5 or the Rondo for styling guidance. uhm... the HHR does sell 100k a year... even in it's 3rd year.... and there is no reason a small Tracker replacement couldn't be sold along side of the HHR and ALSO sell 100k a year. They are different vehicles markets.

That was me

both it's snowing here now, so the CTS is in storage, but I still have both.

File under "No where to go but up"

I've driven the new version.... it's a piece all right. yeah, but look at the start you've got.

We should play magic mirror and see how many other car's design cues we can pick out. Ready? Go!

I'm sure it's plausible, but they had to be really beating the snot out of it to get that. I'm just comparing it to the same engine in a similarly heavy car with a 5-speed auto that I drive like a felon in.

I'm just happy they didn't bash the Malibu for no reason. They really couldn't find anything major to complain about. Coming in second in this crowd isn't a bad thing. In the past, would the Malibu even have been invited?

So all this arguing from you about sales numbers is just because you don't like the one you're driving even though it's basically the same package as all the others in it's class and sells nearly double any Japanese competitor? If you don't like an HHR, I doubt you'd like an xB, Matrix, Element, or PT Cruiser either. Just pick something else man....

Question 1: How are the CRV and RAV4 direct competition for the HHR? CR-V starts $4,000 higher than the HHR. RAV4 starts $5,000 higher. I think the Element, PT Cruiser, Matrix, and xB are the HHR's true competition as they are all roughly the same size, the same price range, and .... well, the same kind of vehicle. Question 2: How is selling a steady 100k per year, in it's 3rd model year, in a market previously not occupied by GM, a bad thing? Toyota wishes they sold 100k xBs. They sold 56k xBs to Chevy's 96k HHRs. Toyota lumps Matrix in with Corolla so I can't get a number on them, but I highly doubt that one in four Corollas is a Matrix and that is what would be needed to exceed HHR sales. Honda wishes they sold as many Elements as Scion sold xBs. Element sells at less than half the rate the HHR does and it's already been through an MCE. PT Cruiser sales are substantially down despite heavy fleeting. Down below HHR in fact. So... wait. Doesn't that make HHR the best selling in it's market? In fact, even if you remove every single HHR fleet sale, it still outsells everything from the Japanese INCLUDING their fleet numbers and handily outsells PT Cruiser when you remove it's 50% fleet rate.

Ford.... well, Mercury specifically. If GM hadn't existed: 1. Horsepower race wouldn't have been nearly as large. 2. We would be 10-20 years behind in automatic transmission technology. 3. 10 years behind in FWD technology 4. 15 years behind in airbag technology 5. We'd say that "_______ is the Duesenburg/Lincoln/Imperial of ________'s" and it just doesn't roll off the tongue as nicely as Cadillac. 6. 50% of South Florida would have no idea what to drive. 7. There'd be no Ralph Nader... <maybe this one is kinda good> 8. The Model-T would have continued production till 1947 when Old Man Ford finally kicked the bucket. 9. BMW M5 owners would have to crank start their V10s. 10. Auburn/Duesenburg/Cord, Studabaker, Packard, Hudson, Nash, Edsel, Imperial, and Chrysler would still be around today.

This was a "How the new comers stack up to our previous choice." comparison.

I'll go out on a limb and say 100% of the HHRs weren't sold at retail. Who pays sticker anyway? 25% were daily rentals - probably big discounts there 70% were retail - some discounts, but again, who pays sticker? 5% were commercial - flower shops, pharmacy deliveries, etc. - More discount than retail, but not as much as rentals. Apparently companies that do deliveries love them. Less expensive than a minivan while still having a good loading capacity. All of the Eckards <when they were in business> around here had HHRs for their prescription deliveries.

JB Weld

DUNE cat!