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@surreal1272 You are right that style is personal, but if you look at the full picture, a 400V slow ID-Buzz versus 800V versatile van, Kia is winning here imho. I get the VW history But this is very appealing as a lifestyle Van also plus the superior tech.

I’ll find Jimmy Hoffa before you find a successful “lifestyle” van market in this country and I am a van fan from way back. However, like station wagons, that is beyond a tough sell in this country. At least VW had the good sense to give theirs hope by giving it some style. All the great tech in the world doesn’t change that fact for the Kia. Again, that thing is hideous regardless of the lifestyle choice lol.

I have already been to Kia's website and understand its versatility. It will also, again, never make it here as a consumer level van if at all. Even if ti does, half of those "features" will disappear for the U.S., like how your Kia honest have the near 360 captains chairs in the 2nd row like they do in overseas markets. Lastly, you said it looks cooler, and while looks are truly subjective, I could poll 100 people and count on less the number of fingers on one hand and that would be the number folks would say the Kia looks better than the VW. That thing is hideous on the outside.

They want to replace them with resource units that swear loyalty to the orange sh*tgibbon. They want mindless red hat zombies.

Working on a story on this as the released images of what you can do with the PV5 is very cool. Hopefully you will see what I see once I get that story out.

I get it. You own a Kia EV so you break out the poms poms for them at every jump now. However, to any naked eye, no one in their right mind would say that the PV5 looks “cooler” or even looks good compared to the VW (and I am no VW fan). That profile has horrible design proportions and nothing about it screams “cool”. Even more so is that is not even for the consumer market here. That is a Euro model. Sorry but just nope.

OUCH, Trump is saying Canada and Mexico will have a 25% tariff if they do not stop illegal drugs and illegals entering the US starting February 1st 2025. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-threatens-25-tariffs-on-mexico-and-canada-on-feb-1-punting-day-1-pledge/ar-AA1xy5c1?ocid=BingNewsSerp Very cool that this got done before Idiot47 took office. Biden boosts loan for ioneer's Nevada lithium mine to nearly $1 billion | Reuters