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Anyone who pronounces it Bonnie-Vill is way off. Bonneville is French, and technically the pronunciation should be (in French) BUNN-veeeeel (very slight L sound at the end). English translates this to either Bonn-vill or Bonn-(schwa)-ville......schwa= "uh" sound Now anyone who pronounces Escalade any different than the correct ESK-uh-LAID simply does not have a firm grasp of the English language as it is a common English word, a noun for the act of scalaing a fortified wall or rampart.

Correct pronunciation is like Im*PAH*la. I checked several dictionaries. Don't worry about the GM commercials...those are the same ones with the nasally guy saying "Cadillac" that sounds so...common.

Eminem's good, but only because he isn't afraid of controversy. He samples a bit too heavily...I mean please...that Martika song wasn't good when it was released back in 1988 and it still isn't good now.

heh I remember the TCC boards...those were a ZOO!

So the Monte is officially gone? That's fine. That changes things, and makes more of a case for the V6 Camaro. BTW Evok...AH-HA was the only one who weighed in back in October when I asked BOTH of you regarding the V6 issue...you simply said: I asked. Finally, don't tell me to grow some thick skin. My skin is pretty damn thick as is. My comment about it not being fun anymore wasn't even directed at you.

Well I guess the important thing is to know one's limitations and act accordingly. Kudos for being able to do that.

oral...manual stimulation...toys...

Firstly, any swagger that I "have" is in your head. These are words on a screen. Don't read so much into them. As for most of the "knowledge" I will be the first to admit I rarely have insider knowledge...I take what I DO get and make connections and apply logic. As for my referencing AH-HA...let me put it this way...in the ever changing auto world, what info is usually more accurate? That from last February, or that from 2 weeks ago, when both are from reliable sources and everything else is equal? Do you see why I put more credence into AH-HA's post than evok's? Things change quickly in this industry. As for anyone who is arguing that the Camaro is NOT a niche vehicle...you need your heads checked. Last time I looked, 2-doors were niche vehicles. Convertibles were niche vehicles. 2+2s were niche vehicles. Now put all of these niches together and suddenly we have a mainstream vehicle? Sorry, a Camaro is NOT a mainstream vehicle like the Impala, Malibu, TrailBlazer, or Tahoe.

What attack?

Because I was enjoying it until certain people had to get childish about it. Kinda ruins it when you're pretty much called a moron despite having a good logical base behind your arguments. Whether it is the logical base GM chooses to follow or not, that remains to be seen. But to attack it as stupid simply because it isn't what one individual person thinks is kinda lame, and disheartening.

Your personal attacks are getting tiresome. I have told you numerous times to take it to PMs or to just ignore my posts if they bother you that much. Your childish insults are just that: childish. There wasn't anything "dickish" about my post; though I really don't know why you went out of your way to call me out on something that wasn't really even there...? Especially since you EDITED your post to add that in. Grow up.

The Grand AM doors were the same as the Alero's all along, GM just decontented the plastic cladding. Honestly, I think the Bravada turned into the SAAB 9-7X more than Rainier. The Bravada's face is much more similar to the SAAB's than the Buick's. Buick got the Bravada's interior though. Park Avenue replacement? Nah...too small. Aurora would have just been "Aurora" and sold next to a mechanically identical LeSabre. Buick of all divisions could get away with it, look at Regal and Century. At least Aurora and LeSabre looked different.

No, I have no problem with "being told things I do not like to hear" because I like hearing correct, up-to-date information. I don't put emotions into it because I would prefer to be correct than be some whiny fanboy. You should know that by now; my posting motive isn't enigmatic by any means. You cite this February outline...well frankly I don't recall it specifically, and that portion of the site has been wiped out. Don't get so pissy that I can't remember something you posted that far back in any detail. Seriously, as reliable an insider as you have been, I don't hang on every word you type on this site. As far as the GTO, the only public complaint I have heard about it has been the fact that it looks like a 1997 Grand Prix. The styling is the most off-putting element of the car. Do you really think adding a weaker V6 to the GTO would make it sell any better? I really don't. You can get far more current, attractive designs with similar V6s for the same price or less. I think it has been pretty clear that the very dated styling is what has hurt the GTO the most. Frankly, I am getting tired of all this Camaro crap, especially since as you have astutely noted numerous times, there is no Camaro program at GM that has gotten the green light and that we are still several years away from RWD vehicles. GM can produce all the concepts they'd like, but that doesn't mean any of them will make production any time soon. Honestly, what is this thread for? Speculating on what a concept will look like? Or a nonexistent production-spec Camaro "concept" like the AURA? If we are talking about a real concept vehicle, then my bets are that it runs on baked beans, does my laundry for me, gets 95mpg with a 600hp V24 and 32sp transmission with DOD, cannot be dented or crashed, AND makes the perfect omelette every time.

I'm only voting 5...only one I care for.

I don't like the rounded "corner" of the 300 paint job. For such a blocky car, it needs more of a point. And agreed about the lack of bodyline flow. But that's where a bodyline SHOULD have gone, if Chrysler designers hadn't spent 95% of their time designing the grille and headlights.

When Olds was phased out, the Aurora should have just been sold at Buick dealerships. That car died prematurely.

Yes it has...you don't post on here enough Eric

Well then why don't you counter the evidence from AH-HA with something SPECIFIC. You know, something other than "no, you're wrong." EXPLAIN.

I really don't think it's that absurd. See above. GM needs the $$$ more than the sales volume.

Honestly I don't, but I do remember two posts of AH-HA's from last month: and then: This is the most current info I've heard, and frankly it seems the most credible given what GM has been going through. It just makes logical sense to me....logical BUSINESS sense, not necessarily logical given what GM has done with the Camaro in the past.

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I wouldn't write off another GTO...it is selling well in Los Angeles.

Don't be silly. First of all, I expect Camaro to start off as a BASE just under 30k. Maybe 28 or 29k. GTO starts at 32k/33k. Don't go acting like the GTO is overpriced because it isn't. It is quite a bargain. The US auto industry is pretty saturated; no vehicle is going to get megavolume these days. As I said before, GM is focusing on higher profit margin vehicles. This Camaro will be RWD obviously...so how many RWD platforms does GM have? I count two. One is too expensive, the other is more reasonable. This one we have been calling "Zeta." Now, there is no way in hell the Camaro will have a unique platform. That would be retarded. The next GTO will most likely be US-built, and will be on Zeta. So right there we have two vehicles on the same platform. There is a rumored Buick and a rumored Pontiac sedan, possibly a Chevrolet sedan. That brings the total number of vehicles to 4 or 5. Costs will be lowered due to this. A V6 Camaro will not be necessary for GM to make money. In fact, I think it would be detrimental for two reasons: GM would lose money giving away a 30k interior in a 25k vehicle and lose sales by offering a 30k V8 with a 25k interior. GM is NOT going to design two different interiors, that would be a waste. The second reason is that of image. If all Camaros have a V8, they will have a better image. Also, what V6 would GM put in it? Frankly, I think the General needs to develop some better 6s because their current ones aren't that great IMO.

What about the Mercury version of the Freestyle as previewed in the MetaOne concept?

Reg: have you ever had some Woop Woop? Best white wine ever. From down under...damn it's tasty! (Coming from someone who doesn't normally like Whites)