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I really don't think it's that absurd. See above. GM needs the $$$ more than the sales volume.

Honestly I don't, but I do remember two posts of AH-HA's from last month: and then: This is the most current info I've heard, and frankly it seems the most credible given what GM has been going through. It just makes logical sense to me....logical BUSINESS sense, not necessarily logical given what GM has done with the Camaro in the past.

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I wouldn't write off another GTO...it is selling well in Los Angeles.

Don't be silly. First of all, I expect Camaro to start off as a BASE just under 30k. Maybe 28 or 29k. GTO starts at 32k/33k. Don't go acting like the GTO is overpriced because it isn't. It is quite a bargain. The US auto industry is pretty saturated; no vehicle is going to get megavolume these days. As I said before, GM is focusing on higher profit margin vehicles. This Camaro will be RWD obviously...so how many RWD platforms does GM have? I count two. One is too expensive, the other is more reasonable. This one we have been calling "Zeta." Now, there is no way in hell the Camaro will have a unique platform. That would be retarded. The next GTO will most likely be US-built, and will be on Zeta. So right there we have two vehicles on the same platform. There is a rumored Buick and a rumored Pontiac sedan, possibly a Chevrolet sedan. That brings the total number of vehicles to 4 or 5. Costs will be lowered due to this. A V6 Camaro will not be necessary for GM to make money. In fact, I think it would be detrimental for two reasons: GM would lose money giving away a 30k interior in a 25k vehicle and lose sales by offering a 30k V8 with a 25k interior. GM is NOT going to design two different interiors, that would be a waste. The second reason is that of image. If all Camaros have a V8, they will have a better image. Also, what V6 would GM put in it? Frankly, I think the General needs to develop some better 6s because their current ones aren't that great IMO.

What about the Mercury version of the Freestyle as previewed in the MetaOne concept?

Reg: have you ever had some Woop Woop? Best white wine ever. From down under...damn it's tasty! (Coming from someone who doesn't normally like Whites)

Another good call. Hopefully it won't ever come here. The US auto market is well saturated.

Kia is owned by Hyundai...they aren't going anywhere. SAAB will stay; they have new product on the way. If he's referring to SEAT that will make the most sense IMO.

Doesn't SSR start around 40k?? I would expect Camaro pricing to closely reflect that of the GTO.

Don't forget SKY, starting at ~25k Also...they aren't so much moving it upmarket as they are reintroducing the nameplate at a slightly higher market. Here's the thing: the new Camaro will be a LOT better an overall vehicle than the 4th gen, and this should and will be reflected in the pricing.

Yea...but AFAIC there is nothing in our way now of a Rose Bowl victory.

Nah...VW isn't pulling out of the US anytime soon. Their sales might be down, but they aren't BAD sales.

So we trounced Stanford...and UCLA was trounced by Arizona and Cal also lost. We should have smooth sailing all the way until the Rose Bowl...Go USC!

If a Cobalt comes out first, why not reccommend it?

That's just it though; they aren't excluding a "big market." It is very much a niche market. GM wants the Camaro to be a home run...now think of this: A V6 model would be priced no less than 25k, most likely closer to 27k. Go back and look in the other thread for my reasons on this, but don't call that into question here. Just assume that that's the "given" of this scenario. A V8 would be pretty close to if not exactly 30k. Now...GM is designing the REST of the vehicle...are they going to put a 30k interior in a 25k car? No. Are they going to WANT to have a 30k car that is bitched at for having a 25k interior? Not really. Since this entire vehicle program is enthusiast driven, GM is likely going to pull out all of the stops and make it a nice 30k V8-only vehicle with a befitting interior. Also think about this: Corvette starts off 45k. Would it make any sense whatsoever for a Camaro with similar performance to be priced much below 30k? Don't make a driving dynamic argument because all of GMs cars need to handle well. Corvette is priced perfectly. Camaro should be more affordable, but not a giveaway. Giveaways are ridiculous.

Yea, no V6 period. on either. This would be another halo vehicle...why dilute it?

NOS--watch an 80s movie every now and then...

...but Suzuki has had a LOT of commercials lately...

Suzuki?

It would make it too downmarket. Camaro won't be competing with all trims of the Mustang. GM wants the Camaro--EVERY Camaro--to be powerful and great. No weak-ass V6s. They are targeting enthusiasts, not wimps. Enthusiasts want V8s. Plus GM is going for higher profit margins. A low-priced V6 won't do it.

We've discussed before how a V-6 isn't likely.

Well if they pay a cent for it, then you shouldn't "rebel" because they could cut you off.

now BV...if you pay for it yourself...and you insure it yourself...then whats the deal? i really don't see anything stopping you i mean they cant legally prevent you from using it as long as they arent paying anything for it

NO. Every Lincoln dealership is a Lincoln-Mercury.