Croc

Another good call. Hopefully it won't ever come here. The US auto market is well saturated.

Kia is owned by Hyundai...they aren't going anywhere. SAAB will stay; they have new product on the way. If he's referring to SEAT that will make the most sense IMO.

Doesn't SSR start around 40k?? I would expect Camaro pricing to closely reflect that of the GTO.

Don't forget SKY, starting at ~25k Also...they aren't so much moving it upmarket as they are reintroducing the nameplate at a slightly higher market. Here's the thing: the new Camaro will be a LOT better an overall vehicle than the 4th gen, and this should and will be reflected in the pricing.

Yea...but AFAIC there is nothing in our way now of a Rose Bowl victory.

Nah...VW isn't pulling out of the US anytime soon. Their sales might be down, but they aren't BAD sales.

So we trounced Stanford...and UCLA was trounced by Arizona and Cal also lost. We should have smooth sailing all the way until the Rose Bowl...Go USC!

If a Cobalt comes out first, why not reccommend it?

That's just it though; they aren't excluding a "big market." It is very much a niche market. GM wants the Camaro to be a home run...now think of this: A V6 model would be priced no less than 25k, most likely closer to 27k. Go back and look in the other thread for my reasons on this, but don't call that into question here. Just assume that that's the "given" of this scenario. A V8 would be pretty close to if not exactly 30k. Now...GM is designing the REST of the vehicle...are they going to put a 30k interior in a 25k car? No. Are they going to WANT to have a 30k car that is bitched at for having a 25k interior? Not really. Since this entire vehicle program is enthusiast driven, GM is likely going to pull out all of the stops and make it a nice 30k V8-only vehicle with a befitting interior. Also think about this: Corvette starts off 45k. Would it make any sense whatsoever for a Camaro with similar performance to be priced much below 30k? Don't make a driving dynamic argument because all of GMs cars need to handle well. Corvette is priced perfectly. Camaro should be more affordable, but not a giveaway. Giveaways are ridiculous.

Yea, no V6 period. on either. This would be another halo vehicle...why dilute it?

NOS--watch an 80s movie every now and then...

...but Suzuki has had a LOT of commercials lately...

Suzuki?

It would make it too downmarket. Camaro won't be competing with all trims of the Mustang. GM wants the Camaro--EVERY Camaro--to be powerful and great. No weak-ass V6s. They are targeting enthusiasts, not wimps. Enthusiasts want V8s. Plus GM is going for higher profit margins. A low-priced V6 won't do it.

We've discussed before how a V-6 isn't likely.

Well if they pay a cent for it, then you shouldn't "rebel" because they could cut you off.

now BV...if you pay for it yourself...and you insure it yourself...then whats the deal? i really don't see anything stopping you i mean they cant legally prevent you from using it as long as they arent paying anything for it

NO. Every Lincoln dealership is a Lincoln-Mercury.

Yea, and unibody. Don't forget unibody Fly!

But NOS, it isn't coming. JK!!! Though I will be laughing my ass off if the whole thing is a very elaborate hoax. You have to admit that would be funny as hell.

Wait didn't you say you had a scholarship? Colleges are expensive. USC is ridiculous, and even with my half tuition scholarship my college fund is still very much drained. Look this is what I tell everyone: if you want it badly enough you will find a way to make it happen.

But it would be funny as hell

there is a big difference between taking prescription drugs and abusing them. they ARE medicine...very powerful meds. They do help a lot of people and while I'm not trying to imply your family abused them or did anything criminal...they aren't "unsafe" and "bad" because they help a lot of people every day. You jsut have to treat them like the potent pills they are.

BTW did I mention Xanax? and keep it a secret from Marcia...ANYTHING can be used against you. Does she know about all the stuff you post on this site? I cannot remember if any of the softcore porn pics you posted were after the big meltdown or not, but if she goes on here and searches and finds all that stuff, better watch out. Or even the posts above where you mention your temper. Honesty is NOT something you need to be for these battles. Don't acknowledge the temper or rage blackouts or what have you.

Get some help. Rx Drugs work wonders. And you better be prepared for a long bloody custody fight. If Marcia wants Sofia so badly, she's gonna make you into a rage-prone nutcase and you are going to have to prove otherwise. She will drag out everything she can, especially if she says she "hates" you. No offense, but she might even bring up the infidelity. How are you going to counter that? You need to be prepared. Get a lawyer. Remember though that whatever custody agreement you work out will hamper career moves if you ever have any. You probably won't be able to live outside of your region without rewriting custody agreements. Child support? Yea...not fun. I really suggest a lawyer. And some Xanax.