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That there isn't necessarily a 1:1 correlation between CO2 burned and "mpg" as determined by the EPA.

CARB is regulated on emissions, so a vehicle with the Volt's technology and exact same engine, but say longer-lasting batteries, may end up with greater "mpg" but with the same overall emissions per tank of gas. There is not a direct 1:1 correlation. Roberts court may have ruled on CO2, but the 35+ year old CARB loophole isn't going away anytime soon. Housing market is the first buyer's market in well over a decade, yet prices haven't fallen to such an extent that people are losing much equity. The hardest hit are the financed-to-the-hilt, living-above-their-means people waaaaaaay out in the far-flung exurbs. Those are the only properties that are quickly becoming worthless. As for the budget, well that's what happens when you cross an egomaniac governor with an ornery legislature. But I'd still rather live here than anywhere else.

How does regulating CO2 directly regulate fuel economy for, say, a car like the Volt? CARB loophole cannot be yanked, as the Supreme Court has ruled that CA has a special circumstance requiring more stringent standards.

Yup, and also NPD people tend to view themselves as the perpetual victim of framing or scapegoating, even when all evidence clearly points at them as the source of misdeads.

Boo! I wanted one in May '10. Might end up with a Volt afterall then...

For anyone else with a fetish for Chicagoans with NPD, check out The Real Housewives of Orange County for Vicky Gunvalson. She's..."colorful" too.

But CO2 emissions do affect "air quality." I guess I should amend my previous statement to read "smog OR air quality." And while regulating CO2 does have the backdoor effect of regulating fuel economy with current technology, that is not necessarily the case when alternative fuels are pursued.

He's a case study in Narcissistic Personality Disorder, to be sure.

How does CA hold "so much power" and "rule for the entire country"? This is a blatant misrepresentation of the facts here. Fact: CA has been able to regulate tougher emissions for 30+ years. Fact: CARB (California Air Resource Board) has developed their own, tougher standard. Fact: 14 other states want to adopt this standard. Fact: the Obama administration has granted a waiver for these 15 states while scientists revisit these standards for possible inclusion in a revision of the federal regulations that Bush denied. Fact: nothing is changing if you do not live in the states that are regulating emissions more stringently for now. Fact: waivers are not permanent, and do not represent binding legislation. Where's the disconnect here?

Nonsense. Your example is technically an assault under the law. Outside, if it offends you, you can ask someone to step away, or move away yourself. Inside, you cannot escape it.

See, I think stuff like that is rude. Maybe it was a different time, but I never smoke around people if they have an issue with it, and I never force anyone to breathe it if they don't want to. Plus smoking inside is just gross. You rarely confine all the ash to the ashtray, and I wouldn't want my furniture or apartment to smell of it. It's easy enough to just step outside for 5 minutes.

Sorry...how does that prove that carbon emissions do not affect smog and air quality?

It's about automotive-related policy, and has shifted toward various tangential ideological debates. The hell is your problem today? Grumpypants, much? I really hope you're not trying to stoke an argument to close this thread so YOUR thread on the same topic stays open...that would just be ridiculous.

Here you go, ocnblu: Great job posting the news first! Keep up the GrEaT wOrK!!

Well...he either admits he is wrong, or he tries to spin something that is completely nonsensical and incoherent. He's been backed into a corner, and what do you think he will do? Dodge and weave, dodge and weave...

Guess what? This thread took off more than yours did. Get over it.

Sorry, carbon emissions affect smog and air quality--can't argue that. Try again. And count me in for increasing fuel efficiency requirements, if that were the actualy discussion taking place.

Sorry, where is CA trying to "dictate" in all this? They just wanted a stricter standard for their own state. It isn't CA's fault that other states copied CARB standards and tried to make them codified in those states. It really seems like the CA-bashers either failed or slept through their US government course...

BINGO! We have a winner. Honestly, I just chalk it up to jealousy over the weather and scenery. No one can come out here and truly hate it.

NOS, everyone gets SAD when they aren't seeing sunlight for weeks on end. I've fake-baked too...but my point is that everyone has their vices, and you shouldn't be so judgmental about it, whether it's smoking, fake-baking, candy, soda or fast food. What's disgusting to you...well it's someone else's life.

How long have you been able to go on gmbuypower and check an option box for one of 5 different state/federal emmission standards? I agree with your sentiment, and if that is what eventually happens, then I'm sure something will be done about it. Really, the issue as I see it is that Obama granted a waiver, which is not a binding change to the law. The waivers, in my speculation, are a temporary measure before federal emissions are raised to reflect those of CARB.

Thinly disguised racism is unacceptable.

I most certainly can when I'm responding to your claim of: Let me put it to you in another way. We all know you enjoy your tanning beds. But there's really no reason to fake-bake! Wrinkled, leathery skin, sun splotches, shortened life, skin cancer, sunburn, a lingering after-tan odor, etc. Get it?

Both...but to differing extents.

Where did I ever say it did? Oh, and the smell thing is definitely subjective. Many people actually LIKE the smell of cigarettes I'm not a fan, but I've met plenty of people who are...I can't fathom it.