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Dan Zanoza is to be pitied for his ignorance.

If this thread is closed, then FOG: you can PM me your thought on how I was supposed to interpret your initial post.

What's the GTO worth? Or you just like the coupe?

GM really just needs to start building cars the market wants, instead of building cars it wants and then throwing up its hands in bewilderment when the market doesn't bite. GM: there are segments. Build cars. In the segments. Stop getting cute with the compact width/midsized length (Theta) or the midsized width/fullsized length (W).

Wow, sign me up for Christmas at the Herzog house!

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Looks good in motion.

No, discontinuing production of these was GM's Christmas present to N/A. Best. Christmas. EVARRRRR!

I like lima beans. Served with butter on the side of something like meatloaf, along with mashed potatoes, sounds like a fantastic "comfort food" meal to me. I'm with you on the ham, though--I'm very picky about if/how I'll eat pork.

Really? Don't think so. And while you were the only poster I called out by handle, I made it clear that it was directed at others. You're not the first, but merely the latest to express such disdain for CA, and disdain with very little basis in reality. And the "oh, you chose to take it the wrong way" defense is really weak. I stopped using that one in HS. Like Enzora, I'm eagerly awaiting your explanation of an inoffensive way to interpret that post. My dignity is fully intact over here; I don't know what you're talking about. How does that make me judgmental at all? Outspoken, not afraid to stand up to someone on the internet? Yup. But not judgmental. The fact that you say you were baiting me merely proves you were trying to pick a fight. Mission accomplished. I had no idea the site was so dependent on a single individual's contributions. You say certain races/ethnicities have "reputations" that the majority subscribes to--that's stereotyping, and just because the majority subscribes to it doesn't make it any less inaccurate or offensive. Racial stereotypes, when acted upon, are the foundation of racism. Racism is bigotry. Like it or not, that's reality. Going on and on about "crazy California" is NO DIFFERENT than someone going on and on about "half-ass backward, dumb-as-$h! Apalachia," something which I have NEVER done on this site. Like it or not, that's the "reputation" your region has that the majority subscribes to. And I know you don't like it and take offense to it, as you should. That kind of speech is offensive and inappropriate, whether applied to California or Apalachia, or New England, or China. If your region were constantly being knocked on here, I wouldn't criticize you one bit for standing up for yourself with a reasoned counter. You don't know me and you won't know me, so don't go calling me fake and shallow. Anyone who has met me in real life knows those adjectives aren't even close to who I am, or what I'm about. What is really shallow is taking a stereotype and applying it to 38M people based on the state in which they live. It has nothing to do with being a forum PC nanny, but everything to do with keeping this site civil and enjoyable for me and my fellow Californians. Would you really stick around if a small but vocal contingent of posters bagged on Apalachia day in and day out? No, after a while you'd get tired of it and pissed too.

This is what I'd subscribe to, and I'd only add beautiful coastlines, Hollywood, and freeways. FHWA design standards were almost entirely taken by Caltrans standards developed well before any federal standards existed, from striping, signage, interchange designs, etc. CA is also the car culture capital of the world. Drive-thru, fast food, street racing (still very common, although illegal)...all born here. And nowhere else do you see as many wonderfully-preserved classics on the streets everyday.

Sand clogged the sewers so Indianapolis switched to salt years ago. I think they use a de-icer now, too. There's only so much you can do, though. Obviously LA uses nothing.

Cool. Great gig it sounds like you have going on.

Griffon is right. GM did this with the TrailBlazer and other GMT-360s, too. Compared to the Explorer, those were MUCH narrower and had even less usable space due to wheel well intrusion, and curved interior walls/surfaces that resulted in a cargo opening that was markedly smaller in "diameter" than the rest of the cargo hold. Retarded.

Exactly, except I don't know if we even deserve that dubious distinction--I mean Waco? The FLDS compound? The school district in the middle of nowhere that decided to give handguns to all their teachers in case they "needed" them...I think there are a lot of, um, outside-the-mainstream people in Texas. And don't get me started as Utah, the state that became populated as a safe haven for polygymists. Frankly, I think strict fundamentalists are "crazy" in the sense that their world outlook is almost the polar opposite of mine--yet that would indict pretty much the entire country, save the coasts. It's just ridiculous that this amount of sheer ignorance pervades. I don't have a problem with anyone on the site, but I don't know hardly any of them in real life, so I won't judge. But what some posters appear to reveal about themselves on this site...let's just say I find it most dissimilar to what I would have expected.

Are you salaried? If not, that's why you went in. Which beach?

Agreed.

Did I say anything about jokes? No. I clearly indicated my issue is with the rants. That said, many of those "jokes" can still be very offensive. By the way, what California jokes are out there? The only one I know is the "cereal state--fruits, nuts and flakes." I'm really not familiar with any others.

OK, just to clarify...it isn't you, but everyone else in all of New England with a sociopathic disorder, taking grave offense to a friendly well-wisher over their wording? I'll just assume for the sake of this post that that is true, let alone makes a lick of sense. You have three options, then. Knowing that the people in your area are a certain way, i.e. PC, you can 1) Go with the herd and ONLY say "Happy Holidays," 2) Rebel against the herd and NEVER say "Happy Holidays," or 3) Not give a $h! about what the herd thinks of you and say what you feel like saying at each time. Now, I know you aren't a legal scholar from the other thread, but the Constitution has this pesky little thing called the Separation Clause in it, which bars the government fro interfering in religion, or treating different religions/sects differently. The "Holiday Tree" isn't something Boston passed an ordinance on fining any citizen $75 for calling it a "Christmas Tree." It likely came about (as others across the nation have) by a lawsuit from a non-Christian religion alleging that the Christmas tree on government property amounted to a violation of the Separation Clause. The courts have repeatedly (and IMO rightly) ruled over the years that a Christmas tree is NOT a religious tradition, but a secularized celebration of winter. Considering that Christmas trees are Pagan in origin, fine by me. What is the point of all this? To ensure that there is no ambiguity, the courts asked the government to call it a "Holiday Tree" in official communication. Really, it applies to the government--City of Boston, State of Massachussetts, or whatever other goerning entity(ies) funds and erects this "Holiday Tree." And the grumpy old people are just grumpy old people as long as that was a private homeowner...or unless it was so "garden gnome"-licious that they felt it disgraced their religion--in which case I'd be inclined to agree with them although they have no legal standing to ask for its removal...unless of course neighborhood covenants prohibit such decorations.

Why? Are certain people banned from saying "Happy Holidays" by their religion? Growing up Catholic I must have missed this sin in Sunday School. Is it mortal or venial? How many Hail Marys do I have to recite to be forgiven? By the way, is New Year's Eve/Day a holiday? I'm so confused. Why can't I say "Happy Holidays" to impart good wishes on people for both holidays? They ARE only 6 days apart...who's to say I'll see them again between the two? Am I obligated to list every holiday for which I'm wishing people well? What if they're half-Jewish and half-Christian? Must I say "Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukah, and Happy New Year"? It seems so cumbersome. Why again can't I say "Happy Holidays," again? Frankly, the real question is what the hell kind of problem do you have if someone wishes you "Happy Holidays" and you get OFFENDED? Do you get offended when someone says "Have a great day!" because they didn't specify that it's a THURSDAY? Or are you suffering from some kind of sociopathic disorder where you take grave offense to someone wishing you well in any way, shape or form?

Could somebody please explain to me under what circumstances people "can't" say "Merry Christmas"? I have never heard of such a prohibition. When was this exception added to the 1st Amendment? Could you cite a court case, please? I'd really love to have this confuson sorted out.

Really...how many times have you been there? As obsessed as you and several others seem to be on this site with denouncing California as being the home of some "crazy," "whacked out," and often "liberal" people, maybe you should think about how "crazy" and "whacked-out" you sound when painting such a broad brush across a state that, if separated from the US, would have the 9th largest GDP in the world and the 11th largest if measured by Purchasing Power Parity. What's funny is that in California, I never hear anyone obsessively deriding any other state in any way. There might be some NYC envy in LA, but Californians don't have pent-up hostility toward other states. It really says a lot more about you than it does us when you go on these ridiculous rants. Also, why do you care? How does it affect you in any other state what the Californian Supreme Court decides for the State of California? Oh, yeah, it doesn't! What this says to me is that whatever issue you have for whatever irrational reason, you're just looking for any possible reason to go on a rant about the good people of California. If what many of you typed about Californians were applied to different ethnicities or religions, it would be considered heinous bigotry and the mods would be taking care of it along with your memberships. But no. Frankly threads like these demonstrate just how low the common denominator at C&G has become since the gradual exodus began a year and a half ago. This site is but a shadow of itself, and it's the result of the assinine trolls and one-trick-ponies annoying all the intellectual members to the point of abandonment. Keep it up guys, and see where these kinds of ignorant, ridiculous attitudes toward other Americans get this site. Merry f@#king Christmas.

Exactly. And here's the thing: one of the issues to be decided is whether or not the GS' actions caused the injuries. ALL THIS ARTICLE HAS SAID IS THAT THE COURT APPARENTLY FOUND THIS ISSUE ENOUGH IN CONTENTION FOR THE LAWSUIT TO GO TO TRIAL Nothing more.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. This person may have had the absolute best of intentions, but their alleged irresponsibility paralyzed someone for life. That person can no longer work, travel independently, or live anything close to a normal life. Lifespan is decreased, and the person is completely dependent on the care and goodwill of others for the rest of his/her life because of the "Good Samaritan's" good intentions but (alleged) utter gross negligence. What about a doctor who tries to save a patient by cutting off their arm when they had a papercut? Sure you can have great intentions, but you do not have carte blanche to be as reckless, thoughtless and irresponsible as you please simply because you "meant well."

Reminds me of a L&O: SVU episode where the store owner was taking advantage of a retarded girl by calling it "exercise."