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Im also excited with the turbo 4...

Almost giddy about it.

Knowing that it will be light on its feet...Im mostly curious to see how it fairs with BMWs...the base  turbo 4 Camaro against a base 4 Series Bimmer...

 

Chevy/GM is really taking it to the Germans and BMW...with the Camaro and Cadillac...

 

The Camaro isn't really in competition with the 4-series, someone before posted about the Camaro being an M4 killer.  I am not a BMW fan boy, but I wouldn't under estimate the M3/M4.  But again they aren't really in competition, one is a luxury car, one is not.

 

 

 

 

Yeah I am constantly perplexed why people cross-compare these cars when they are not cross-shopped. I love GM. I love Chevy and Cadillac, but I have no desire or delusions that a Camaro would be cross shopped with a BMW, Cadillac, Benz, or Lexus. I do, however, believe that the Camaro will perform as well as many of the similar HP/Handling cars from those makers. Why?? Its a Pony car for the 21st century. It has technology that blurs the lines between it and the perceived luxury car.. but so does my Impala.. so doe the Cruze, or Sonic. 

 

I am not talking about the Camaro being cross shopped against the BMW...4 Series or otherwise....

I am talking about pure performance criteria.

I am talking about driving feel.

I am talking about driving dynamics.

I am talking about handling...you know...Bimmers are known to have this magical formula that puts the driver in a daze of driving extasy...

Well...because the Cadillac ATS has shown to out-BMW iat BMW's own game, logically, the Camaro shouts as well. And, because  the Alpha plaform Camaro is closer to what a BMW 2 door 3 Series coupe was all about in the 1980s....I find this comparo more pleasing then the ATS comparo versus a BMW 4 Series. Again...Camaro Turbo 4 versus base 4 Series BMW...

Im also excited with the turbo 4...

Almost giddy about it.

Knowing that it will be light on its feet...Im mostly curious to see how it fairs with BMWs...the base  turbo 4 Camaro against a base 4 Series Bimmer...

Chevy/GM is really taking it to the Germans and BMW...with the Camaro and Cadillac...

Here is me being giddy about it...

Yeah...like a little girl...but I assure you folk of Cheers and Gears....Im a most manly of men...the manliest...

Yeah...I made it.
Im getting used to the lay out.
I even double posted by accident. At least it was from my own doing...
Hey look...no software shenanigans...
 
Dont worry Casa...I will find a way...by myslef.

Practice...I think I succeded...

Tough luck Casa...

II wonder if there is a direct youtube link in here?

Dont worry...Ill figure it out.

This car is about what I expected and I am good with that.

The nose is much like the last 5th gen to extend the line. The roof and c pillar have a lot of C7 in them and the rear has a taste of the 4th gen tail with bits of new all around.

 

The real sweet thing is this car will have more refinement than any Camaro that has ever been built. There was no compromise here this time where they ran out of money before they finished the car. The interior will have much better materials with fit and finish. This area always got short changed even in Gen one.

 

The weight is down and the power is up. The platform we already know is world class and is not contingent to also being a luxury car this time.

 

I fully expect the base SS to  bear out the Mustang GT. The Challenge really is not even in the conversation till they get a new platform. The Hell Cat got them some attention in light of a coming Mustang and Camaro revamp but in time that too will wear off as this and The Mustang are the complete package. There is more to life today than just spinning $250 tires to make smoke.

 

I love the blue and the RS spoiler as it fits the cars lines well. The interior is great in all but one area for me.

 

The only real issues I have are one the SS wing. It just looks dated and tacked on. Not a big fan of it. If I were to buy an SS I would delete the wing and buy the RS spoiler.

The interior I love especially in red and black. But the radio screen just looks like a GPS mounted to the dash and the Gauge pod would look better if it were connected at the top completely and no cut out.

 

Both of my hates are minor and should not be major issues with most buyers.

 

I expect the SS to really turn some heads with performance in all areas of stop, go and turn much like the C7 did and the later performance models will do just as the Z06 has done. This is the best Camaro out of the gate we have ever seen and it will only get better.

 

By the way I love the engine line up. The Camaro has never had three good choices like this. I just wish they had a Premium Required option on the Turbo so it would be over 300 HP. I do expect a upgrade kit for it much like my SS and the Solstice. With that the Solstice had 340 FT LBS. Image that in this car.

 

I know a lot of people are going to bitch about the fact that GM didn't go far enough with the styling but as a three time Camaro owner I can tell you that I really like this.  It maintains the heritage styling cues while looking more sleek and athletic.  I honestly was not a fan of the initial 5th gen exterior but thought the refresh improved the looks.  This takes it the next step.  The 200 lb weight loss should help and I have no problem with the turbo 4 pot as the base engine.  Honestly if I was going to buy a Camaro and not buy the V8, I would take the turbo 4 over the V6 as they are much easier to extract more power out of.  All in all, I say good job GM!

 

Here's how I would rate the pony cars on style:

 

2012                                      2016

1) Challenger                        1) Challenger

2) Mustang                            2) Camaro

3) Camaro                             3) Mustang

 

Since I have not driven the latest Mustang or obviously this Camaro, here is my guess what the performance order will be for 2016:

1a) Camaro

1b) Mustang

2) Challenger (excludes Hellcat)

 

I have recently had the good fortune to drive a Scat Pack Challenger, though, and I can say that is a very sweet ride and in a straight line may out perform the Camaro SS and Mustang GT.  While it turns well enough on the street, on a track I highly doubt it would hold its own against either the SS or GT.

When the 5th Gen Camaro turned up in renderings...BEFORE the cartoon movie came out...I was like WOW! But then I just fell outta love with that Camaro...thanx in part to the movie...I was more in love with the ragedy 1977 Camaro than the brand new POS...partly because sellout...partly because the performance numbers were less than satisfactory.

It has been for the longest time for me...like you...

1. Challenger

2. Mustang

3. Kevin Morgan Trans Am....and I did not like that one either because I KNEW it was a clunky Camaro underneath...sure... REAL Trans Ams were always Camaros underneath...but Pontiac never the less...400 cubic inches..

4............

 

In 2014 though...I respect the performnce cred of the Camaro...ZL-1 and Z/28...

 

But...the 6th generation Camaro...Im slowly falling in love with it.

Because the performance cred promises to blow EVERYTHING outta the water...including German muscle...ESPECIALLY that BMW M4...I cant wait to see the numbers...in all categories...I bet it will  SHAME a BMW M4 at its own game...

 

Also...because Chevy smoothed out the clumsy lines of the 5th gen...my order is now...

 

1. Challenger/Camaro

2...ONLY the Mustang GT350......Ford could kiss my butt for ALWAYS pushing ecoboost...

 

I know a lot of people are going to bitch about the fact that GM didn't go far enough with the styling but as a three time Camaro owner I can tell you that I really like this.  It maintains the heritage styling cues while looking more sleek and athletic.  I honestly was not a fan of the initial 5th gen exterior but thought the refresh improved the looks.  This takes it the next step.  The 200 lb weight loss should help and I have no problem with the turbo 4 pot as the base engine.  Honestly if I was going to buy a Camaro and not buy the V8, I would take the turbo 4 over the V6 as they are much easier to extract more power out of.  All in all, I say good job GM!

 

Here's how I would rate the pony cars on style:

 

2012                                      2016

1) Challenger                        1) Challenger

2) Mustang                            2) Camaro

3) Camaro                             3) Mustang

 

Since I have not driven the latest Mustang or obviously this Camaro, here is my guess what the performance order will be for 2016:

1a) Camaro

1b) Mustang

2) Challenger (excludes Hellcat)

 

I have recently had the good fortune to drive a Scat Pack Challenger, though, and I can say that is a very sweet ride and in a straight line may out perform the Camaro SS and Mustang GT.  While it turns well enough on the street, on a track I highly doubt it would hold its own against either the SS or GT.

When the 5th Gen Camaro turned up in renderings...BEFORE the cartoon movoe cae out...I was like WOW! But then I just fell outta love with that Camaro...thanx in part to the movie...I was more in love with the ragedy 1977 Camaro than the brand new POS...partly because sellout...partly because the performance numbers were less than satisfactory.

It has been for the longset time for me...like you...

1. Challenger

2. Mustang

3. Kevin Morgan Trans Am....and I did not like that one either because I KNEW it was a clunky Camaro underneath...sure... REAL Trans Ams were always Camaros underneath...but Pontiac never the less...400 cubic inches..

4............

In 2014 though...I repect the performnce cred of the Camaro...ZL1/Z28...

But...the 6th generation Camaro...Im slowly falling in love with it.

Because the performance cred promises to blow EVERYTHING outta the water...including German muscle...ESPECIALLY that BMW M4...I cant wiat to see the numbers...in all categories...I bet it will  SHAME a BMW M4 at its own game...

Also...because Chevy smoothed out the clumsy lines of the 5th gen...my order is now...

1. Challenger/Camaro

2...ONLY the Mustang GT350......Ford could kiss my butt for ALWAYS pushing ecoboost...