oldshurst442

Yeah...it is a beautiful road for what I could tell from the videos I see.  Like you @Robert Hall from seeing all kinds of video media of it.  I do admire the fact that you actually drove on it.  Plus all of your travels of your country that you did and continue to do.   @A Horse With No Name and @trinacriabob also have that respect from me for the same reasons.

Matt Farah does plenty of car reviews on this road. At least I think its part of this road. Or when Jay Leno references to get out of Los Angeles and head to the mountains where there are no people he says.  In a different time, I would have loved to visit California.  I was California dreamin' during my teen years and always loved the sights and dreams of California.  Then in my 30s or 40s, I wasnt into California as much.  Then JUST before trump became president for the 2nd time, I was falling in love with California again (minus that hollywood creepiness) only to be happy to shyte on ALL of the usa including california.

I know I have become a douchebag these past few months regarding your country, but the political climate of your country has made me bitter and hateful.  I know I shouldnt be lumping ALL of the crap that is maga and trumpism into one huge bowl of hate for all things american, but it is what it is...

There are many parts of the usa that I NEED to see before I die.  California is one of these parts that I NEED to experience.  And for all the maga deplorable bullshyte that is florida, the Keys are another part I NEED to see. 

Video gaming talent being lost due to excessive speeds (on roads that seem to be heavenly to auto enthusiasts) is sad indeed.   For the human element of someone dying...  There will be others to take his place.  What is sadder is that he could actually afford "track days" on SEVERAL California race tracks.  He could have asked Ferrari (paid an additional  small fee) to have Ferrari, the OEM, to tune his Ferrari with THEIR engineers and race crew to the optimal race track settings of ANY race track IN THE WORLD and he could have raced his SF 90 to the car's fullest capabilities without the risks of killing innocent peoples on public streets. And if he chose an additional option on his Ferrari purchase, Ferrari race crews could have also taught him to reach his  fullest capacity of his talents. And he could have afforded all those things too.  

What I find extremely frustrating is that he has money to feel like a superstar with his $800 000 Ferrari racing his car in all kinds of exotic locations having a personal Ferrari pit crew cheering him on, and if he chose, to have high priced escorts in scantily clad clothing as cheerleaders but no...he chose to have street take-over/cars and coffee hoodlums cheer on his and hid friend's demise. While a couple of them stood their in disbelief and yelled "oh shyte" and "oh phoque"  and dragged his friend's body like it was diseased away from the burning wreck, most of them fled the scene like cockroaches they were.  I guess this was the way he valued his life.  Driving fast in the lowest common denominator kind of way and dying in that same low common denominator way. THIS is what is frustrating to me, he had the money that he worked hard for to enjoy the prestige of owning and racing a Ferrari...  Instead, he put innocent people at risk for cheap thrills.   I understand why poorer people drive fast, especially on intoxicating roads like Angeles Crest, because I understand the adrenaline rushes that come from that environment.  I do not condone it, I understand it. But he, he had the money to die a more dignified death with the same adrenaline rush. But THAT also wouldnt involve in risking any innocent peoples lives either.  At least with me, if I ever remember his death in the future sometime, I will remember him as the clown who drove too fast and killed his friend.

This is Angeles Crest Highway, right after a tunnel... 

Ive never been to California but Ive seen many videos on youtube of this exact location that I googled and posted here.  It seems to me that this is a death stretch of road.  Many videos of all kinds of cars going really really fast in the tunnel and they come out and go boom!!!

Near death accidents but some actual gruesome deaths too. The latest death...Vince Zampella, co-creator of Call of Duty video game.   I got a video, but I will not post it as it shows the accident in full detail and his passenger being ejected and dragged by bystanders clear of the fiery wrecked Ferrari.  And its as clear as it could be. Nothing blurred. 

I was wonderin'

Why do people INSIST on speeding like with crazy amounts of speed on public roads and especially on stretches of roads where deaths do happen?

55 years old and his passenger unknown to the public. Just before Christmas where even atheists acknowledge the importance of the 25th of December which is about family and friends and love.  And these two guys are now dead and leave behind friends and family morning for them instead of celebrating their lives full of love with them.  

*sigh* 

6 minutes ago, G. David Felt said:

No One Got a Check, This country is too broke to afford giving out money to buy their silence. The administration is broke, this country is broke, there is no reason for any of what Idiot47 has done. From the giving away billions to useless defense contractors to paying to continually refurbish out dated military machines like tanks in California's high desert, the military has stated over and over it needs to get lighting fast and the old equipment is dead. So all the tanks, boats, everything that Idiot47 says makes us strong is actually bleeding America dry.

51% for sure of this country is dumber than nails, look around where Biden pushed for battery plants, new technology that would drive jobs and Idiot47 is tearing it down cause living in the 50's and 60's was the golden age for him. Corrupt Dirty Donald to the core.

The Greek farmers are getting down and dirty becoming violent for seemingly less reasons.  Not less reasons, for the same reasons americans should be getting down and dirty and almost violent.  americans have MORE content to become protesty and rioty than Greek farmers do.  

https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/protesting-greek-farmers-disrupt-port-operations-nationwide-blockades-persist-2025-12-10/

Fraud, scandals, theft, lies.  Loss of revenue, theft of revenue.  CORRUPTION...   In Greece...

Sound phoquing familiar?  

And Greeks are fighting this as SOON as fraud, scandals, theft, lies.  Loss of revenue, theft of revenue.  CORRUPTION was revealed...     I guess this was uncovered at about summer time.   

The usa has been under fraud, scandals, theft, lies.  Loss of revenue, theft of revenue.  CORRUPTION with trump SINCE 2016...  And NOTHING of a push back by americans... 

From hush monies stolen from republican coffers to silence Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal to outright getting caught with lies about voter fraud and instigating an insurrection to flat out refusing to leave office to stealing classified documents to illegally firing judges and all other governmental employees such as generals and FBI leaders to paying off judges to throw out legal court cases against him to becoming a phoquing felon with 34 or so counts against him of being a bank fraudster to lying about eating the cats and the dogs to allowing the kentucky whiskey industry and soy bean industries go to hell...

Where are the soy bean farmers protesting?  Twice they got burned by trump.

Where are the employees of the whiskey industry protesting?

Where are the truckers protesting? They also got burned twice by him?

Where are the tourist industry employees?  They blame Canadians and view Canadians as the reason for their misery but also view Canadians as their saviours?  Why arent THEY protesting in the streets like Greek farmers are doing?

I guess I shouldnt be reading too much into it...

All is great in the good ole usofa... 

Phoque the usa is all I have to say!!!   Especially when no american is willing to fight for his rights and freedoms... 

I want to know:

Did any american actually get the $1776 cheque that was promised by trump?

I want to know:

How many dumb phoquing americans ACTUALLY believed they were going to get a $1776 cheque?

I want to know:

If you actually DID get a cheque promised by trump because of the trillions of dollar that the tariffs have generated...did it come at the expense of another socialist cheque that was supposed to be given to you anyway? 

I want to you:

How many MORE lies are you stupid americans going to fall for BEFORE you actually DO something about it BEFORE it ACTUALLY DOES become too phoquing late to do something about it WITHOUT the use of guns? 

Except Jon...NOBODY is fighting for this constitution republic.  

Lots of words talking about fighting for this constitution republic. But NO actual action... 

Crickets...

Oh wait...clown suits...

THIS is how its actually done in countries that are NOT afraid...

And look...no guns are used if gun violence is frowned upon... 

The clown suits have done nothing...and if it was mildly successful...the clown suits have...stopped.

Like I keep on saying...

CRICKETS... 

5 hours ago, trinacriabob said:

I think they knew all along

Im not so sure about that.  fox "news" and trump propaganda has played a huuuuge role in deceiving these people.  And that level of deception ONLY deceives the weak, stupid and racist.  

5 hours ago, trinacriabob said:

and were in denial

Not in denial.  Most of these maga filth are enablers, BECAUSE trump promises acceptance of racism, these vile uneducated  human beings  are ok in getting phoqued by the oligarchs of the usa BECAUSE the non-white population of the usa is getting phoqued WORSE than they are.  

Any trump supporter is an ignorant soul.  

Some trump supporters are racist and enable the corruption BECAUSE trump promises bad things to happen to non-whites.  These people are smart enough to understand the 'wink wink' language of trump.    But racism is bred by ignorance...

They enable the corruption but are too stupid to understand ALL the consequences that pertain to trump's corruption.

Jim Beam is closing down its main distillery in Kentucky factory for a year.  

https://robbreport.com/food-drink/spirits/jim-beam-shutting-down-one-of-its-distilleries-in-1237417543/

 https://apnews.com/article/jim-beam-bourbon-distillery-shutdown-kentucky-a8303cd04005a9108ff43690faad421b

Tariffs are a beautiful thing...  And the idiot americans bought into it.  CANADIANS (not Canada...and if you are smart, you will KNOW the difference and the meaning as to why I present it this way...) has boycotted american liquor.    Not realizing the consequences of tariffs and ESPECIALLY the insulting 51st state rhetoric.  

The american idiots BELIEVE the excuses that its not the Canadian boycott that is causing a small down in kentucky booze sales but millennials not drinking because millennials believe drinking=bad...  

jim beam... 55 million gallons of booze less in sales.  Didnt know that millennials NEEDED to drink THAT much of alcohol.  SHYTE!!!  Boomers and Gen Xers are phoquing alcoholics... 

Here is another...

The CEO of jack daniels said that boycotting Canadians are not a problem because Canadian sales are ONLY 1% of jack daniels sales...

Well...

https://www.kentucky.com/lexgoeat/bourbon/article313389656.html

"Jack Daniel’s parent says profits down 14% for quarter. $59M in losses this year"

"Fiscal 2026 outlook is expected to remain challenging, the company said, “with low visibility due to macroeconomic and geopolitical volatility as we face headwinds from consumer uncertainty,” among other factors. Organic net sales and organic operating income are expected to continue to decline for the full year, the company said."

Read more at: https://www.kentucky.com/lexgoeat/bourbon/article313389656.html#storylink=cpy

1. The jack daniels ceo laughed and scoffed at Candians boycotting them.  A CEO of a big business like the whiskey business and a big company like jack daniels should NEVER laugh at 1% sales losses...  

2. Morons believed the LIE that Canada is ONLY 1% of jack daniels sales...

3. The ceo is a MORON himself following trump as he should have known better of the consequences of pissing off an ENTIRE nation... 

4.  MORE lay offs in the kentucky area in the whisky business...  ALL of them maga a$$hol3$!!!   Not a sinlge brain cell between ALL of them NOT realizing the consequences and believing the deception of fox "news" and trump's words...

5 hours ago, trinacriabob said:

I think that there are a lot of stupid people in our country

YES!!!

5 hours ago, trinacriabob said:

but it would surprise me if that many are that stupid

Do NOT be surprised.  THAAAAT many americans are THAAAAAQAQT phoquing stupid. 

1. Since the 1960s or at least the 1970s...education has been defunded in your country.

2. Since at least the 1970s, ignorance has been worshipped in your country.   And ESPECIALLY the last 15 years. 

5 hours ago, trinacriabob said:

They needed something to pin their hopes on

Nah...just their vile bitterness and racism and as long as the non-white folk suffer more than them.  The hatred of these uneducated filth is truly a sickening site.

So much so, that whatever trump tells them, they will believe it.  Canada became an enemy of the usa somehow, and these phoquers licked all that shyte up. 

Canada has stayed away from visiting your loser country and all the touristy areas in your country are begging Canadians to come back.   So much ignorance involved as they do not understand why Canadians are not visiting and will not visit for a very long time.  But they did vote for trump knowing he was hell bent on destroying Canada.  And in these touristy places KNOW that Canada is what pays there dreams and wishes...  But these touristy places ALSO lay blame to Canadians as to why we are NOT visiting and blame us for their financial downfalls...  Not too bright as people if you ask me...

5 hours ago, trinacriabob said:

If anything, it could be the beginning of the ending of a very bad era.

It does not look like it...

This mess you guys have put yourselves in is going to last a while longer.  A LOT while longer.

Why?

There is NO phoquing push back from ANYBODY in your useless country... 

In Bangladesh...the people are revolting...

https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/12/1166642

 In Greece...the Greeks revolted when there was a train crash in 2023 that killed many and didnt like the authority's explanations as to why it happened...but as recent as this month...

https://freedomnews.org.uk/2025/12/15/farmers-revolt-in-greece/

farmers are revolting...

The authorities are threating farmers with criminal intent...yet Greek farmers are revolting...

Why?

FREEDOMS AND DEMOCRACY AND ALL OF THAT CRAP!!!

After more than ten days of nationwide mobilisation, farmers’ protests last week escalated into open confrontation and clashes with riot police. Protesters have faced arrests and upgraded charges, while in Crete authorities are threatening to prosecute farmers under accusations of forming a “criminal organisation.”

From the mountains of Macedonia and Epirus to the plains of Thessaly and Aitoloakarnania, and from olive-growing Messinia to tourist-heavy Crete, thousands of low- and lower-middle-income farmers have taken to the roads. National highways have been shut down, cutting key transport routes and effectively splitting the country into parts. Tractor convoys are marching through major towns and cities, border crossings, ports and airports have been occupied for hours, and state institutions have been targeted with militant interventions. The farmers’ movement has moved decisively beyond symbolic protest.

In the usa...crickets...

There are MANY times where americans could have avoided this mess they find themselves in.  We COULD start in January of 2020.   

crickets....

We could start with the 34 or so felonies he was convicted of but NO sentencing...

crickets...

We could start with the mar-a-lago court case when trump hoarded all those classified files and the case was not even addressed in court because trump bought himself out of that...

crickets...

Epstein files...

crickets...

Yeah...the whole lot of you are stupid and ignorant if you ask me...  

COWARDS more than anything else as well!!! 

Its a beautiful picture.  A general and random thought it may be, but the picture itself should be immortalised in here.

Thanks for sharing it with us.  @trinacriabob 

4 hours ago, trinacriabob said:

Good morning ...

... I think I'm dreaming ...

That it's (still) so incredible, that I'd like to be on one, and that I'd like to be somewhere warm and/or beautiful.

While probably meant for the Airplanes thread, I thought I'd make it a general share

58 minutes ago, G. David Felt said:

Found your next car, on ebay for sale! 

1970 Oldsmobile 442

1970 Oldsmobile 442 | eBay

1970 Oldsmobile 442 | eBay

Awesome specimen.    Sadly though, it is no longer available for sale.  Did the seller find a buyer?  At $48 000, it is relatively cheap to buy.  Does that mean muscle cars are going down in price?  Maybe its not a "numbers matching" 455.  Perhaps an aftermarket "upgrade".  It does have an Edelbrock stamp on the block which explains the "low" price of 48 thousand.   Either way, Id buy it.  Well...not now.  Owning a "vintage" muscle car would be #2 of my dreams and wishes.   Im on my way of realizing my #1  of dreams and wishes.  Owning a home (condo) on a Greek island.  My financials are almost there for that.  If #1 is not fullfilled, then #2 would happen.  But #1 looks to be right on track. 

Only thing I will whine about is:

Although I LOOOOVE Cragar SS wheels,  ESPECIALLY on muscle cars, I somehow disapprove of them on a 442. 

58 minutes ago, G. David Felt said:

but will those idiots that enable Idiot47 listen.

The rich that support him are making even MORE money with him there so no...they will NOT listen. They do not care. 

The others are racist bastards that as long as the ones they hate are in worse shape than they are, then they will allow trump to destroy the country. 

It WILL take the rest of you to fight for your country.   

To remove him FORCIBLY  and all those other cancerous shyteholes that have infected your country. 

42 minutes ago, G. David Felt said:

WE THE PEOPLE need to take back America

YES!!!

9 hours ago, trinacriabob said:

It's impossible not to think this.  This is stuff we've never seen before.  Recently, it was dumping feces on people protesting from a fighter plane on his own social media platform and now it's this.  A conventional RINO would (have) be(en) a Godsend.  I have become much less tolerant of trailer trash with all of this happening because they have enough critical mass to have put him where he is, yet he not so secretly despises them.

Do not forget that he also reignited his racist "why do we get immigrants from non-white countries and not from white countries" rhetoric.

Oh...then there is the constant talk about war on his own citizens.

Also, the constant attacks on Canada, the usa's most reliable and friedliest neighbour.

Not to mention the  grifting and the corruption that allows his friends and family to gain billions of dollars financially from government coffers. 

9 hours ago, trinacriabob said:

I have become much less tolerant of trailer trash with all of this happening

I have become NON-TOLERANT to ANY american entity.  I DESPISE maga, trailer trash and anything remotely connected to trump and/or the republican party. I HATE anything american that ALLOWS trump to continue on this path and I do NOT respect americans that allow this shyte to exist.   And many many MANY Canadians feel the same way. It is NOT just me...  It is, in the grand scheme of things, ALL of Canada that has this hatred for the usa.  And its not ONLY because of trump...  

I as a Canadian, we Canadians DO have a dog in this fight as trump has THREATENED OUR nation politically, economically. His words ARE words of war and add insult to injury, some americans to this day do NOT understand the severity of it all.  

Phoque trump

Phoque the usa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rsIa14T1p0

phoque trump

phoque the u.s.a.

11 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

They may be functional, but they still look silly. The ones on the one @G. David Felt posted look better.

Sure.

if I remember correctly with the story of those  scoops is that when the Hurst/Oldsmobile collaboration was made and the decision to utilise the 455 for the Hurst editions (the regular 1969 442 had a 400 c.u.), Hurst wanted to change it up and use Ram Air ducts from on top and was a quick job to those scoops.  The 1969 442 ram air set up  draws air from the bottom. 

When 1970 came around, Oldsmobile wanted to use that 455 outright and not weasel it through Hurst collabs and also had the time to finesse elegant hood scoops.

The 1969 hood scoops are fibreglass if I remember correctly but the entirety of the 1970 hood is fibreglass. 

But yeah...goofy looking.  I dont mind them either way. 

And becomes a bigger part of the muscle car appeal for me. 

43 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

(minus the silly wing and hood scoops)

The wing is just dumb.  The hood scoops are functional. Ram air.  

11 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

It's too garish visually, IMO.  The RS6 in a solid blue looks much better to me..

Yes. The normal RS6 is a better choice. I sometimes prefer the more 'look at me' versions when it comes to muscle cars.  

The Volvo you posted is another great looker!!!  If there was an optional visual enhancing package/trim on it, Id probably prefer that. 

Like this one

over the standard Volvo 850 station wagon. (just talking about exterior looks. Not engine choices. Obviously the more powerful engines are preferred for me) 

11 minutes ago, G. David Felt said:

1970 Oldsmobile 442 Vista Cruiser Station Wagon

 Functional hood scoops!!! 

11 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Call me old fashioned, but as much as I like two-tone exteriors, I don't like all those colors and stripes.  Looks like a basketball shoe.

Yeah...it has funky designs on it. 

I like the designs on it because I like muscle cars. Classic or modern muscle cars have got all kinds of boy racer features on them.  Racing stripes.  Decals in forms of hockey sticks or stripes going alongside the sides of the car.  Fender flares. Wings and/or spoilers and 'aerodynamic' extended body panels...

An Audi A6 is kinda like a muscle car.   This particular one plays the part with the  V8 engine under the hood of its mid-sized body.  And...its a homologation trimmed car. With the aforementioned spoilers and wings and its homologation racing stripes and colours schemes on its lower body panel 'aerodynamic' bits.  

Its childish and immature and I LOVE it!!!  

Its kinda spiritual torch bearer to these:

Obviously the Audi is a wagon... but you get the idea. 

30 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

My Cadillac dealer sent me a holiday card...hmmm...a bit of a glaring error on the front...

 

Perhaps Central Cadillac is part of a bigger automotive ownership group that owns multiple brands, including an Infiniti dealership, and on cost cutting measures, just uses one generic 'thank-you' card with just one picture on it, that Infiniti coupe, and distributes this one generic 'thank-you' card to all of its customers regardless what vehicle they happen to drive? 

Just now, Drew Dowdell said:

OMG this! Everyone is doing it now. Tesla too. 

It's like 1986 Mercury Sable all over again.

Except on the Mercury Sable, it ACTUALLY looked good. 

Imagine that light bar with LEDs...

I also like the Pontiac Grand Prix too.

But modern cars though, I think Lucid does it best. Because you cannot tell its there.

The stainless trim camouflages it.

But its there alright!!! And even at night, its subtle.

 And I like how LUCID lights up

But its overplayed, I agree. 

7 minutes ago, G. David Felt said:

Nice, but the Genesis has more Style and a serious performance look that trumps both the Cadillac and the Audi wagons imho.

I like the fact that the G90 Wingback has a loooooong ass wheelbase.   

And this is why it has that loooooong ass wheelbase:

Which is fantastic.  But Im not ready to be chauffeured just yet. Maybe when I hit my 60s.  But...looooooong ass wheelbase cars do ride much smoother though. And I like that too.  But my heart belongs to the German...for now. 

I like this one even more than the CTS V  wagon

With that colour scheme of this year 2025. 

The 2026 I believe has a refreshed face.  Keeps its V8.   But is a hybrid?  Anyway, I love this wagon and I will probably love it still for 2026.