surreal1272

25 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

It will sell big time. Starting to see them around. 

There will be initial bump, sure but long term it will be niche at best (as far as full size pick ups go). All the pros being an EV (although they, once again, lied about the range and price) are being killed by the fact that it is half baked (at best) as an actual pick up. Countless reviews all say the same thing about it. 

Oh and haven't seen one here yet but plenty of Model Ys and 3s.

Nice upgrades on the powertrain and interior but that exterior has a profile that only Ray Charles could love. Just ugly IMO.

The only pics I have of the interior of any of mine. This was taken in 2008, about four months after I moved to AZ and then had to sell it (was not made for the off road driving to my job at the time lol). Of course, like about every car I have owned, I swapped the factory stereo out. Had a really nice Panasonic head unit plus I had a six piece set of Infinity Kappa Speakers and one 10" JL Audio W6 Subwoofer (powered by a Directed D mono block amp) in the car. Sounded so damn good in there and I wanted to pull the speakers before I sold it but they were required to stay in for me to make the sale lol. Such is life sometimes.

1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

For what? To wear as a shoe? 

Close. He is looking for a matching pair of roller skates.

3 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

As much of a land yacht kinda guy as I am, I've wanted a '98/'99 Eclipse GSX or Talon TSi AWD since they were new.

Such fun with AWD but that and the turbo are why I never owned one. I got my first speeding ticket in an '81 Chevette. I would have lost my license in a month with either variation of the turbo AWD models.

42 minutes ago, David said:

The fun crazy stuff we do when we are Shreck Size!!!

Me in small cars!

Yeah, those were definitely not for anyone taller than myself and I'm 5'10". You would need a shoehorn and KY jelly to get in and out of those lol. 

Had three iterations of it. (1) 1993 Plymouth Laser (first car that was in my name) purchased used in '95, (1) Eagle Talon ESi 5 Spd Manual purchased slightly used in '96 (traded the Laser for it) and then another Talon ESi in 2005 (also 5 Spd manual). Sadly not one AWD TSi in the driveway but I have driven a few and they are sneaky loads of fun!

44 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

That was also another example  where the sedan and non-wagon 5dr hatchback are the same length.  I don't recall if the US got the sedan version or only the hatchback...traditionally US market wagons had more rear overhang than sedans and thus were longer...but it's been a long time since there have been many examples of traditional sedan and wagon body styles in one model range in the US (since the 80s-90s when GM had the A-body and B-body still around, or Ford w/ the Taurus/Sable for several generations, etc...)

Thanks for reminding me. I should have noted that the 5 door hatch is what we got here but my original point still stands regarding no set length standard between wagons and their sedan counterparts.

17 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

True, it’s rarely exact. But in the case of the Magnum, it was there first and the charger came later. The 300 the Magnum shares with at the time was within an inch.

You're missing my point though which is there is no set standard between sedans and wagons where dimensions are concerned.

Other examples: The Buick Regal Tour X is almost 4 inches longer than its sedan counterpart. The last Acura TSX Wagon was almost 4 inches longer than its sedan counterpart as well.

1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

FWIW, a wagon is the same length as a sedan, while a hatchback is shorter. The K4 5-door is a hatchback.

That's not always the case though. The Dodge Charger was almost 4 inches longer than the Magnum while the Cadillac CTS Wagon is about an inch longer than the sedan. 

For reference about the headrest trim, the 2024 Escalade-V, complete with metal (I'm assuming aluminum) speaker grill inserts on both sides of the headrest. 

15 hours ago, David said:

Honestly, nice looking is being nice as it already looks dated on the outside and the inside they have gone touch pretty much everything and as such with no physical buttons, I have to wonder just how easy it is to make the basics work.

I also would have serious concerns about the head rests as that metal crown around the seat I can see hurting people seriously in a crash and having some bruises by just smacking it in normal use. 

I honestly have mixed feelings as some things are nice others are WTF were they thinking. Very weird SUV.

I feel they are trying to make the old older work with the newest new of tech and just not getting it to blend well.

Those "metal pieces" are very thin pieces of aluminum which makes it no more of a hazard than hard grade plastics. And how EXACTLY would someone hit their head on an obviously recessed piece of aluminum? This basic design is present in a lot of premium and sporty cars and SUVs these days. It's also only available in the Autograph trim. "Old" design is purely subjective as well. I'm not saying it's a beauty queen but it most certainly does not look "old". It has the same basic profile as the outgoing model but, again, that is common is every large SUV (See the damn near identical profiles of the last two Gen GM full size models as one example). 

I get what you're trying to say here but it seems more like nitpicking given the examples provided. 

IMO, it's an upgrade in every way over the outgoing model and that is the simple goal here.

I honestly dig the look and this will be a far more important car for Rivian than the R2 just because of the potential price point alone (assuming, again, a reasonable price point can be had here). Like a few others have said though, no Apple CarPlay or Android Auto would be a deal killer for me. 

Nice ride and a sweet spot size for a lot of folks but it most certainly will not start at $45K by the time it comes out in 2026. I am done putting stock into future prices put out by car companies because NOT ONE has actually come at the price promised.

Those and the Hyundai Ioniq5 all share a resemblance.

13 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I’m not sure it has the size for police duty. PDs prefer SUVs now just for the amount of crap they have to carry 

That depends on where you are. There are nothing but Charger cops here, whether it's local cops, country sheriffs, or state troopers. There are SUVs, sure, but far more Chargers used than those.  

1 hour ago, surreal1272 said:

Powertrain variety aside (which is a smart move on their part if they can pull it off) this is just same basic look, on the outside, that has existed for over a decade now. Seeing it in person may alter my "meh" response to that but the first glance is just that for me. The interior doesn't really hit all that great either. Sure, a step up from the current Charger interior but maybe something other than "Batman Black" in there would be nice lol. The price for the EV versions are going to be ridiculous though. Bank on it.

Corrected in bold because autocorrect was drunk the first time.

Powertrain variety aside (which is a smart move on the part if they can pull it off) this is just same basic look, on the outside, that has existed for over a decade now. Seeing it in person may alter my "meh" response to that but the first glance is just that for me. The inkeriror doesn't really hit all that great either. Sure, a step up from the current Charger interior but maybe something other than "Batman Black" in there would be nice lol. The price for the EV versions are going to be ridiculous though. Bank on it.

Money well spent on hydrogen Honda. Just ask Toyota, who merely has to bribe folks to buy theirs lol.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/toyota-wants-hydrogen-succeed-bad-210720557.html#:~:text=If you hurry%2C you can,the car off its hands.

13 hours ago, David said:

Buicks new tag line, "Exceptional by Design"

The Next Era of Buick is ‘Exceptional by design’

 

And that makes it a great case in "false advertising". Nothing "exceptional" about most of Buick right now other than exceptionally bland and sometimes downright ugly. 

12 hours ago, David said:

Lets correct one thing!

HONDA DID NOT install their own hardware / software!!!

Pure semantics (although Honda did, in fact, install their own form of the software) as the bigger point was made and confirmed by your post. GM screwed up six ways from Sunday by going their own way with the software side of things. ZERO background in it prior but "HEY! We're GM! Let's a proven tech and make it absolute hot garbage in form and execution".

On a side note...

Not four months ago, I caught absolute hell (although less so the last three months because well, you know 😎) for pointing out GMs screw ups, knowing all I had to do was sit back let GM speak for themselves and now here we are. I am not saying GM can't or won't figure this out but the next time a fanfic tells me "That was forty years ago GM", I am going to point to this and the host of other screw ups brought on by GM as my vindication lol. 

2 hours ago, David said:

True, but it is not the terrible Tesla or Mercedes jelly bean look.

Having a knock off look makes it worse than any of those.

10 hours ago, David said:

This car I really like, have to say that the style is striking for me.
'Apple of China' starts new venture with bold aspirations to take down Tesla: 'Starting late has its advantages' (thecooldown.com)

 

Looks like a Taycan Knockoff and a bad knockoff at that.

Full disclaimer: As well as being a wagon fan, I am a huge van fan. I spent the first 14 years of my life going everywhere in my dad's '71 Chevy Sport 10 van (and a 3 on the tree to boot). Like the wagon, they have a unique history in this country and have shunned for the same dumb reasons.

I also said I would never buy a VW but if I did, this would be it. Room galore in the classic van sense while being the same relative length as the Atlas. If they can get the range up, it would be worth considering if the money is ever there for me lol. I say all this because I came across a short video walk around of it and I dig about 95% of the ID Buzz Long Wheelbase, The video gives a pretty good look at it too. Put some classic dome wheel covers on it and SOLD!

Dear Tesla fan(s): Tell us more about that superior Cybertruck...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/cybertruck-owners-theyre-already-rusting-154649229.html

Tech aside, that was just "meh" in the design department. Most of it will never the light of day in the real world IMO.