El Kabong

It's the trends that are the thing, though... GM's appear to be on the way up, Ford's on the way down.

Hopefully this puts to rest any fretting over GM's recent decision to cede much of the fleet market to its crosstown rival. If Ford is already predicting weaker second-half NA sales then I'm guessing it knows its annual sales contracts are up. I predict GM will begin increasing its overall sales lead going forward, unless Ford opens the taps on incentives across the board. Either way, it appears Dearborn's attempt to steal GM's thunder have not succeeded.

"Ford Motor Co (F.N) reported weaker-than-expected profit in the second quarter, and said its full-year earnings forecast was at risk with U.S. auto sales expected to fall in the second half, sending shares tumbling in premarket trading. "Auto sales in the United States and China were lower than anticipated in the quarter, and Ford reported its first quarterly loss in the Asia Pacific in three years. "Ford shares shed 7 percent to $12.87 in premarket trading." More at the link: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ford-motor-profit-falls-u-111836898.html

Few things in life are as satisfying as someone trying to get you to come around them 'cause if that don't work they know there's ZERO way they can come 'round you :D

Says the guy who called me a douche... presumably because he doesn't have as much of a life that he didn't get his feelings hurt by a poster or two. Next up: GM's PR department gets good initial feedback for the new Grand Sport Corvette!

Indeed. The article speaks for itself.

True. But, still.

You answered. I guess we got that answer. Dayum

Good. So, does anyone think that Ford will be more accommodating to the automotive press going forward?

I stand by the article I posted.

Speaking for myself and what I've seen in this place in particular, I don't think that folks were especially worried about the decline in sales numbers as much as they were wondering if GM would be able to translate this strategy into increased profitability. It appears that they can. Now, as a GM fan I confess that I would be delighted to see quarterly profits greater than those of its competition while still holding the overall sales lead. But that's more a question of degrees of success as opposed to success versus failure.

Make America great again?

I made my request for good bahaviour a few posts ago. Not much I can do besides that

Now, to further drive home the point... I won't provide the link, but GMI has just posted a writeup on cooling system improvements for the '17 Z06. It appears that most of the published instances of heat soak on earlier Z06 model were due to Motor Trend, and one staffer in particular. So... did GM get all whiny and hold back test cars? Nope. They used the feedback to make a better Corvette. Because that's the smart thing to do. And now they have a Camaro SS in the BDC shootout that sounds like it's a cat let loose among the pigeons.

Nope, nope, nope... and nope. The article's premise is sound. The whining is tiresome. The accusation of fanboism is at the very least plausible, for the blanket magazine statement if nothing else. C'mon man. Ford is slipping and hopes nobody is seeing the product rot lurking behind the curtain.

That makes no sense. I provided the article. I showed a possible source for the rationale Ford's PR people have by the fact that it's ponycar is not good performance value. I called out your blanket statement on all magazines being crap. So... who's butthurt again? Seriously

Look, folks. While I'm thrilled that I've given the forum a nice, lively thread... I'm not interested in sifting through butthurt ranting to formulate responses. So if you have issues with the article I cited, just explain why. And if you think Ford is doing the right thing by withholding test cars then why bother getting wound up about when GM gets props for the cars it DOES provide? Nobody's forcing you to read this. If you don't like it, don't read it. And certainly don't post in here. I'm not running a babysitting service.

That don't do jack squat for the beatdown it's receiving today. And let's not overlook the fact that the Camaro is quite capable of a quick turnaround as well. The Onega platform is already a thing, and there are rumours hat the C8 may see Job One as early as late '18 or January '19. In other words, GM has the advantage, and seems uninterested in relinquishing it. Good for GM. Bad for Ford. Better in who's eyes?YOURS? HA! You are nothing but a arm chair bench racer.... Car and Driver gave that victory to the GT350 over a Stingray.... Corvette....Chevy's top dog... By YOUR logic If Camaro 1LE or SS (who cares?) beats GT350 And the GT350 beats Stingray Then Camaro 1LE is better than Stingray.. Its a waste of money and resources to go with a Stingray...PATHETIC even... GM should just cancel the Stingray. How could GM engineer a C7 only to have a lowly pony car beat it? 2 lowly pony cars beat it.... 2 pony cars!!! The Camaro 1LE AND the GT350 El K, you argue like a highschool-er! Look. I already explained why the Shelby won. It was politics because Ford was trying to avoid what we're now seeing at MT. Now go calm down. It's just getting silly, and I don't want to make any cruel comeback quips about elementary school. C/D stated the GT350 won because of politics? Well, they deliberately sidestepped comparing it to the SS, and titled the article "Asymmetrical Warfare." They may as well have called it "we tried our best but they wouldn't let us do what you want to see."

Better in who's eyes?YOURS? HA! You are nothing but a arm chair bench racer.... Car and Driver gave that victory to the GT350 over a Stingray.... Corvette....Chevy's top dog... By YOUR logic If Camaro 1LE or SS (who cares?) beats GT350 And the GT350 beats Stingray Then Camaro 1LE is better than Stingray.. Its a waste of money and resources to go with a Stingray...PATHETIC even... GM should just cancel the Stingray. How could GM engineer a C7 only to have a lowly pony car beat it? 2 lowly pony cars beat it.... 2 pony cars!!! The Camaro 1LE AND the GT350 El K, you argue like a highschool-er! Look. I already explained why the Shelby won. It was politics because Ford was trying to avoid what we're now seeing at MT. Now go calm down. It's just getting silly, and I don't want to make any cruel comeback quips about elementary school.

To be more precise, I'd say that the problem is Ford. MT is just calling them out. I heard a rumor that Alf is dead :D

Quit yer whining. You deserved all you got over there :D But on a serious note... there is ZERO excuse for a ponycar that costs five figures more (largely due to a model-specific engine and frond end!) than an SS getting checkmated by said SS. Ford PR, and Ford fans, and Ford trolls, need to wake up. Their company needs to do better-end of discussion.

Excellence of execution makes retail customers happy.

Right now, Motor Trend is doing their Best Drivers Car competition. All killer, no filler. One pro driver to provide the objective stuff. It has already leaked out that the Camaro SS with the 1LE package matched the Shelby Mustang GT350 on the figure eight times. In other words... MT has provided objective proof that Ford's top-dog ponycar is indeed checkmated by a Camaro that costs five figures less. So, I now understand why Ford PR would be both paranoid and insular. But it is all for naught-the truth will eventually come out. In this case, the truth is that Ford is no longer able to match the performance per dollar standard of the Camaro. And it's not even close. That's all on Ford. Blaming MT is thoroughly, utterly foolish. That's just the way it is

It is. And it's childish of Ford to not do it.

Very good news. Looks like the Camaro is earning it's keep after all.