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yes they are similar, they both reek of cheap plastic.

"The VTEC kicks in at 6000rpm" so, no power until 6000 rpm, then.

hyundai is the brand for people that are too cheap to buy real asian products, don't like cars in general, and expect cars to be as trouble free as a toaster. its for the person that equates a car to a vcr....you just go out and buy one. i will give honda some credit for at least trying to create some personality in their lineup with stuff like the civic now, and the element. hyundai is just a bunch of knockoff garbage. i don't even want them or kia on these shores. we pretty much need to have honda and toyota around for all the urban ecoweenie consumer reports bangers to drive around in.

here just how much self centeredness and self righteousness do we see in this photo? oh, but she's saving the world, driving a prius..... i wonder if all prius and toyota owners are this much of a hypocrite.

i'm an auto PURCHASER so i would know. so you're Angus Mckenzie then........ or, you're the editor for sport compact car or some 5th tier publication like that, that makes all their advertising dollars from companies that make body kits and those 'aircraft aluminum' wings.

problem is for every articel about a toyota recall there are still ten prius articles that put toyo on a pedestal.

I'm telling you, MT chose the Civic to appease the intended demographic....young rice fans. Autoweek has a broader view, and they seem to be calling it right. They notice the car was dumbed down for the young rice crowd, and lacks appeal for everyone else.

yup

don't get me wrong, bro...i really DO NOT think it deserved it. i just love seeing those honda bangers quirm when you tell them something about their hondas that's not all peachy and rosy.

just havin some fun with you boys

keep drinkin' it up boys

maybe there is just simply not enough torque to move the car with alacrity.

again, i'm not hearing anything factual or substantial here to refute this no pricing advantage no engine performance advantage, except at above legal speeds on racetracks no apparently greater fuel economy advantage hybrid civic is not as good as prius apparently so what's the point no space or utility advantage certainly no styling advantage no interior design sensibility or ergonomic advantage no innovative driver convenience features Simply put, this car is not enough of a standout performer nor does it bring enough new or unique to the table to deserve its merit as COTY. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING ANOTHER CAR DESERVED THE AWARD had the civic not come with hybrid, its not COTY. The other versions cannot do it on their own

imagine all those rental return camry's flooding the market

a base vue with a sport suspension and the turbo motor! YUMMY!

oh! an HHR turbo! YUMMY!

[SIZE=1][SIZE=1][SIZE=1] OH YEAH!

dang, you might have to trade yours in!

i saw it on some other survey just recently. also CR has it as higly rated for that as well.

you just can't accept that the Civic is an average performer, can you. you can spit out all sorts of circular rhetroic about how they didn't shift it right, its front drive so it gets no grip, the gearing is the difference, etc. its pretty clear the cobalts' supercharged and non supercharged entries are not blown away by the civic. and the cobalt is only one competitor. I just picked it because of how MT was picking on it and it didn't seem right. again i bring this up because....why did this car get COTY?...versus all the other subcompacts to the point where it is a landmark auto that stands out head and shoulders above all the others in its segment? no pricing advantage no engine performance advantage, except at above legal speeds on racetracks no apparently greater fuel economy advantage hybrid civic is not as good as prius apparently so what's the point no space or utility advantage certainly no styling advantage no interior design sensibility or ergonomic advantage no innovative driver convenience features it might have a handling advantage. it probably shifts well and is built well. Subarus all do that these days too, though. Simply put, this car is not enough of a standout performer nor does it bring enough new or unique to the table to deserve its merit as COTY. Case closed.

[SIZE=1][SIZE=1][SIZE=1] there's ALWAYS a camry at the hertz by my place.

that interior is bad. its like no better than it was in the 60's. the exterior i am ok with,but its tacky interiors like that that continue to make US cars look like junkpiles in the eyes of a lot of shoppers. or maybe its just that it looks chrysler cheap.

from MT "Our Cobalt performed well within expected tolerances, returning a 6.1-second sprint to 60 mph and a 14.4-second, 99.3-mph quarter (within a tenth and one mph of our last test)." so there's your proof right there that the Civic does not have a substantial performance advantage of a sort to warrant it being a COTY. In fact, it seems to me the Cobalt SS SPANKS the Civic and its 8000 vtec rpms. Again, they gave it to honda because of payola, ricer demographics they want to sell ads to, and the fact you can get the Civic with a hybrid for the ecoweenie factor. The performance of the Si is not superior to the extent that its worth an award of this CALIBER. it can't even beat the non supercharged chevy in a 1/4 mile sprint! I bet it can't even beat it in a rolling start 5-60! 'oh but its a honda so even though its down on power its still the best overall car'. Like the bullshit tests the TSX wins. Gimme a break. A euro accord with a 4 banger is all it is. Honda was mad because the SRT4 and Focus SVT were called better cars than its last Si with the bent nail shifter. Honda got pissed and bribed Angus and the buddies with lots of cash and Honda dirt bikes and the threat to take away their office Ridgelines indefinitely so they couldn't carry their surfboards to the beach and drink spritzers kept cold in the bed trunk/cooler.

BV, do you have the Motor trend test data for the Cobalt SS supercharged? they might have it printed in an index in the back.