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Only if you use the ‘EV’ criteria. Which is like claiming ‘best selling turbo sedan’’. And it’s still sold at a loss.

Model 3 is a mild sales success; that's a prime target for a brand to come in as a #2. Coke/Pepsi, McD/BK, Home Depot / Lowes, Chevy/Ford (traditionally). But... I have no doubt that the numbers show no profit at the $40-50K level... apparently for ANY brand.

Reading elsewhere that the Nio sedan is going to be revealed Jan 9. And that there was considerable speculation it would compete with the Tesla Model 3 (theoretical MSRP: $38K). Instead, Nio's president has stated it will compete with the BMW 7-series (MSRP: $87K). And the pattern continues.

So I mentioned I looked at a '64 GP parts car this weekend. We parted on : I was interested in the engine, but he had a guy before me wanted the whole car. I said 'if that falls thru, call me'. Seller called me this morning, said it fell thru, asked if I still wanted the motor. I said I'll call you this evening, either way, and let you know. Well; I call at dinner time; he sold the whole car already. Damn.

I thought blu was implying 'Owldsmobile' with that.

What'dja have for dinner?

^ And the above is exactly why I continually say that all the OEM mouthpieces, Gov't schlubs and industry analysts are dead wrong to state that EVs will be even 50% of the market by 2030, and all (domestic) "IC ban by 2030" will fall.

Stellantistica sounds, already, like they have their heads up their asses.

Not that anyone asked, but here's my brief, fly-by opinion. The nuances of an individual's preferences are theirs alone. Some folk HATE orange-painted vehicles, while others may think that rigid criteria is ridiculous if they like the exact same vehicle in blue. They may not necessarily chose the most... diplomatic terms to portray their disapproval of orange, they may even speak about it in terms that all orange vehicles should be abolished... but personally, I see no reason to take that anti-orange discourse personally or literally, regardless of how I feel toward orange vehicles and other folk's right to own such a sunshiney color. Here's another analogy. My rhetorical neighbor may find my 1950 Merc coupe [I wish!!], sitting in my backyard as a surface-rusted shell on blocks, an 'eyesore'. That is his prerogative.... exactly how it's my prerogative to find his 2-yr old Lexus LS an even worse eyesore. But if he respects my preferences, I can respect his.

Yes; Tesla is American. On that factor alone, I hope they succeed. But that call has not yet been made. Profitless businesses don’t survive long-term.

Hang tough, blu!

Salvage yards are supposed to drain all fluids, but no one is checking that out, so undoubtedly it happens. Still less waste, pollution & emissions than the recycling industry produces.

Can anyone here exceed 100% American company / U.S. assembled vehicles (23 vehicles... soon to be 24)?

True, of course. But the unilateral scrappage of parts [IE; crushing out junkyards in rural areas because some folk are offended (which seems to often be the case)], although sometimes an unavoidable scenario- should not be something that's pushed for 'just because'. Signed~ a junkyard advocate.

Parts cars are the ultimate in recycling. They're not operating, so no emissions, and at the same time they prevent the energy & waste of manufacturing new parts AND the emissions & energy of the shredding/ disposal/ recycling industry. Iron & steel oxidation is simply returning the elements to the environment is came from- it's not a hazmat scenario. Believe me, vast sprawling junkyards are in the 90th percentile of their life- I think almost all of the dozens I've been in are long gone. All those parts... Sad.

I'm a realist so no; not everything vintage can be saved. On the flip side, technology is not mandatory, either.

Gonna have to respond with a 'bullshit' on that one, my friend. 'Car parts' are forever. I just sold a piece I'd had for 32 years, for a car no one loves (Vega). I'd tried a few other times with no success, but last month I 'found that one guy'. Gladiator's future owner may not have shown up by the time Jeep came a-callin', but he was out there. There is no "time to destroy" vintage parts.

Another local GMC dealer had a boatload of them- plus what I believe were Elevation Acadias. Looked very nice.

^ I was going to ask if that was supposed to be a 'modern youthful mistake' RE a 40-yr old 'old' rock song, but you're dead right either way.

LOL - you couldn't put $200K+ into that Gladiator if you restored it to perfection AND filled the bed with $1 coins. I'm neck-deep in a restoration; I know. From the article : I can say without question that Loren’s 1963 Jeep Gladiator was a good candidate for restoration, barring any unsolvable title issues. Located out West, its body appeared free of major rust or dents, the powertrain was complete, and the grille, lights and three-piece front bumper looked to be all there. It's weird; I thought jalopnick was an auto-centric site, yet they talk about the Gladiator like they've never seen a vehicle older than 5 years old... EVER. They had to rely on the testimony of the prior owner to set them straight. The article is actually cringe-worthy from an enthusiast-perspective. And in looking at the pics, there literally were no major rust issues- except for one small repair at a hood corner, it appeared to be all surface rust. Even the rockers & cab corners are all there & solid. Point is- this would've been an easy restoration of a Willys Gladiator; it was not an "unsavable" truck. I understand The Way Of Things, but it's always a shame to see vintage stuff intentionally destroyed. Crush the new Gladiator- they'll make more.

Don't know what you're basing "was not worth saving" on.

Check your chart: Model 3 PLUS Model Y were 163K.

Brian Johnson had some sort of new tech hearing restoration and was cleared to perform again. He's 73. Boys still have gas in the tank :