Cmicasa the Great

@oldshurst442. @David. I see your points.. and agree on many. I get the slowed production for the sake of quality control, but don't like it. I ened up going back in time and buying a 2016 Checy Impala LTZ used, as a getaround-everyday car because I didn't want to put miles on my "Special" cars.. and the Escalade, being humongous, and taking 93..  isn't exactly my most effcient. Would U believe I considered a f@#kin Tesla.. and even a Mustang MachE? A Lyriq would just be treated as another special car in my stable.. as would the Hummer.. if they were readily avail. But a BLAZER SS EV😍.. or even better.. a Malibu or Regal would truly fit the bill. None avail.. some never will be since GM and Ford have sworn off cars in favor of nothing but CUVs, while the transplant makers continue full on car production. 

@oldshurst442 and yes.. HELL YEAH the VRod is still awesome.. not to mention full on customizable due to European companies holding it tight to their chest. VRods are extremly loved in Europe. Still.. despite being outta production since 2017. I Loved it so much that after I sold my Night Rod Special in the Spring of '21.. I felt instant regret and tried to buy it back but to no avail.. then forced to seek out another in as great condition.. and alas.. did.. literally that Sept aquired a Vrod Muscle. Luv it to death... and while its no Hayabusa in terms of 200mph.. it can still hit 145 lol.. if I so dare

On 3/13/2023 at 12:30 PM, ccap41 said:

Hyundai and Kia move SOOOOO much faster than the other legacy companies. They're popping out new vehicles every 6-9 months, it seems, and the other legacy companies take two years. 

This is so true.. and despite the fact that the legacy companies are supposed to go fully ev by 2030.. the pace at which they are pushing out product is bewildering. My fav of course is GM.. but I'm let down over their pace the most.. considering the Ultium battery and EV platform is avail. U gave the Lyric a headstart for Cadillac.. and the Hummer for GMC.. there shold be nothing stopping them from having a Tahoe, Yukon, and obviously, Escalade EV on the roads.. not to mention the Blazer should already be out or on its way for Spring delivery.. APRIL. But here the issue.. IMO.. the Legacy companies, GM and Ford.. are still to beholden to old school thinkers. They are like Harley Davidson. They make beautiful, and finally, reliable bikes.. but they fail at addressing the younger generation alternatives from Suzuki, Kawasaki, and Honda by not having incorporated Buell into the ranks before Buell restarted on its own with Roland Sands. Case in point.. my Vrod.. AWESOME bike.. but because "Harley Guys" hated it in America.. they killed it. GM needs to get on the ball.. like Hyun/Kia.. just push out products that would sell under the EV heading. CAn U tell me why the CT4and CT5 aren't being continued with an EV powertrain like the 3series/5Series coming up.. or at the very least.. the hybrid system avail in the Corvette Eray?

@oldshurst442... No doubt Bro... I'll be the Skipper lol. Say hello to the SeaMicasa.. She's out in front with my brother's in the rear (blue) and my first boat in middle (smallest) that I bought in `20 and sold to the new owners this past summer 

3 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I come down to Rehoboth Beach sometimes. I'll have to coordinate with you.

Bet! Sounds doable.. When the weather gets better I will be able to to make that trip

@Drew DowdellLooks Fun Bro.. I remember U saying U were looking at getting that model a few years back. Glad U did.. Here's my Ladies 

Ummm @oldshurst442... what did I do to get drawn into this fight lol? Long time my friend.. but after sifting thru some of this.. I am still lost as to why @ocnblu is so in love with ICES that he still finds the need to talk $h! about the EV movement. INSANITY.. Propulsion that moves us around faster and more efficiently and if I rev the engine/motor/ up with a kid standing behind it... he won't get carbon monoxide poisoning and die? U'd think NO BRAINER. OCNBLU.. U must work for an oil company up there in PA. Rest assured.. I'm trying to hold out for either that Hummer EV or the Escalade EV as my next. Completely ready to exchange everyone of my gas burner V8s for a plug-in. 

I instantly turn it off. Its cool on certain vehicles.. but weirdly unnecessary in a luxo or sports car

11 hours ago, dfelt said:

@Cmicasa the Great Awesome Ride, Congratulations on getting what I BELIEVE to be the BEST Luxury Sedan on the road right now!

I am sad the CT6 is out of production, but also excited for the EV replacement. GM has lots of cool stuff coming and excited for them to move on from traditional plastic ice blah auto's and back into standard of the world EVs.

Hey Thanks Dfelt.. much appreciated. I already made an appointment for Fri to have the new Recall done LOL

1 hour ago, oldshurst442 said:

 

AWESOME!!!

JUST...AWESOME!!!

 

Thanks Bro

2 hours ago, USA-1 said:

Congrats! Awesome cars, I drove a CT6-V last month at my Cadillac dealer and loved it. Like you said very planted and well mannered for the size. It drives like a much smaller car and I love that nearly instant boost from the Blackwing and constant pull during "spirited driving" I used to have a 2013 white diamond CTS-V Coupe and loved the car, but the new tech and Caddy design is sweet. Also checked out the CT4 and 5 at the local Auto Show here in Phoenix and they have a very impressive design inside and out with great fit and finish and leather, aluminum, wood or carbon fiber trim everywhere while having very supportive seats that aren't too soft or too hard with perfect side bolstering. Vette guy here as well and I get what you're saying about GM performance and/or luxury cars that are often underrated like the CT6, hopefully the 4 and 5 get more love than the outgoing ATS and CTS.

BTW, did you change out the amber front side marker lights to smoked or did the dealer do it? Looks awesome, the DOT required amber markers stick out a bit too much on these as well as the Vettes, smoked is the way to go.

Wow.. Thanks.. I too had a White Diamond CTS-V Coupe.. '12 tho.. and yeah I did the smoked markers on this as I did on my Z06. 

27 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

Very sharp ride Casa. Congrats! The CT6 is a hidden gem in the Luxury world that should have never been hidden. Saw a TT3.0 the other day in gun metal gray and it was really sharp. I love that it will never be confused with any overpriced German Luxo-barge. Here's hoping that the only real change coming for the car is in the name. Escala would definitely work here.

Thanks Bro.. and Well Drew might know a little more.. but Its a known fact that the VSSR platform is coming in 2022 and the next slew of Cadillacs are to be EV. From a costs perspective it makes sense for them to start to make the change over now.. just hurts seeing the moving on from the ICE

1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

When GM, Toyota or VW builds a car the size of the A-class it costs $18,000 and yet the A-class costs $32,500.  They are putting money somewhere.  

This CT4 will also cost less than an A-class and is a size class bigger, so how is the build quality on it when even expensive Cadillacs don’t have good build quality?

 They are putting the money in their pockets.. that's it.. And who is suddenly saying that the Cadillacs don;t have build quality? Regardless.. GM, Toyota, VW can build cars for less and sell them for less because of total scale. Many of their cars share parts.. That Q7 and A5.. shares parts with the Tour.. or CC... that ES and LS.. shares some parts with a Camry or Avalon.. CT6 and XT5.. certainly share parts.. its the most documented thing in automotive history

1 hour ago, regfootball said:

I would have liked to see this new engine be up on power and torque about 10%. The ct6 when it switched from the old 2.0 to the new one lost about a second in 0-60 time. So I think they still could have put 10% more power into it so it at least topped 250hp and it may come closer to matching the prior ats 0-60. Even if you have more powerful engine options there is always going to be that buyer that can only afford the base engine. And if the base engine is too slow particularly compared to the competition, then the car will sit on lots unsold.  That does no one at GM any good.  

thats the picture I like BTW

even with caddies more attractive pricing they need to actually work on super attractive leases to offset the typical cheap bmw leases. That is where sales are made in bread and butter luxury segments. 

First.. I think U are putting too much emphasis in 0-60 times.. second.. the TORQUE and TORQUE presentation from 1500 UP.. might surprise the hell out of U. Third I really don't think the difference in price is so steep that if one wanted a lil more power for bragging rights they couldn't pay the extra coin

Also.. its quite obvious what they did was create a baby CT6 in the CT4. It looks like a scaled down versions and carries its size change very well. Would be nice if the CT8 were coming it be a larger version of the CT5.. which in essence is a scaled down version of the Escala concept

I'm cool with the engine base too. They did a more balanced and proper take on the 2.0L Turbo where the HP may be down as much as 35HP (from a 2014 ATS), but the torque comes in way earlier and continues well into the upper RPMs.. all while giving the model a more fuel efficient option that was once filled by the weak 2.5L. I'm good with this.. because ONCE AGAIN.. if one doesn't like the bottom engine.. they can opt for a more powerful one. CHOICES! LOL.. If Cadillac asked some.. they would only be offering the LT2 in their cars.

16 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

Same here. The size wouldn’t work for me but overall it seems to be a nice package for folks looking at that class of car. 

You mean like what Benz did when they began selling cars like the CLA, GLA, and A Class? Yes, smart move. 

Exactly. What Cadillac needs to do is realize a huge thing that they missed since Wagoner and Co left RenCen... that they could offer Bentley levels of luxury.. but because they are AMERICAN.. in this age.. they will always be considered not as worth of higher costs over the Germans in base packages. In other words.. U can price a CT6 as high as a 7Series... but U must do so strategically and via options and packages. That base price tho.. that must come off like a value. AMERICANS are self loathing.

I challenge even the German's staunchest defender to show me where a based on the CT4's specs thus far.. what makes a comparable 2020 3Series (the leader) a better car to justify a price jump.. other than marketing and longevity in the market place. Ironically.. as I've said many times.. in 2016 I spent $100K on my CTS-V and a friend spent $110K on their M5.. he was disturbed when we both pulled up at spots.. and people wanted to converse about my Cadillac.. take pics standing next to my Cadillac.. and paid no attention to his BMW. Often commenting.. "must be nice." "Is that the V?" "Very classy.. probably cost U a mint.."

BMW M5.. nothin.

Cadillac can pull this is off.. if only they stick to the place.. be consistent.. stop **cking changing names and strategy.. and continue to build. AND 4GODSAKE!!! Don't kill any cars.. add at least 4 more.. one above the 6, coupes for the 4 and 5, and a variant of the C8. 

9 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Yes. 5'10"... why?

Height matters in riding. Believe me. When I was originally looking for a bike (I'm 6'3) I was gonna get a Sportster 1200.. Sat on it.. all hunched over even with 10 inch bars.. went for a test.. came back with an aching back. At 5'10,.. U still might want to look at a larger bike so as U don;t have to go thru as much adjusting and changing stuff to accommodate your height.. just sayin. If U already know this.. my bad.. That BMW may have U needing to up the handle bars and change the seat.. no to mention get forward controls. TRUTHFULLY.. U can find a lotta nice deals on older bikes with low miles that are larger.. from Harley.. Triumph.. Indian.. hell even Yamaha. I admittedly was considering getting a Yamaha Raider S

3 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I'm waiting for a rental property to sell.  I won't be buying new, I'll buy a low mileage pre-owned this:

BMW ninet Scrambler? How tall are U? 

7 hours ago, dfelt said:

Seems Cadillac is behind the 8 ball in regards to the new V series due to emission issues that they say are now resolved but explains why the V and Blackwing 2019's which are all sold out have not shipped to a single dealer yet.

http://cadillacsociety.com/2019/08/31/cadillac-ct6-v-deliveries-delayed-over-emissions/

Yeah.. saw that a few days ago. Oh well.. Its reason one why I have zero issue with waiting til the 2020s go into production.. maybe even a lightly used one to kill me taking a hit on depreciation. Luxury cars are the worst when it comes to that. Friend of mine literally went into trade his S63AMG in with less than 20K on the odo.. I think it was a '17.. they offered him $60K if I remember correct. 

21 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Great Fleet!!  I guess I'm waiting till next spring now to get a bike. 

Didn't know U rode. Naaah. If I were U I'd get one now or in the coming months. Prices will be down. 2019 Harleys, if that's what U are going for are on sale. Went on Labor Day just to peruse and man they have hella deals. One day.. when I'm ready to do that cross-country ride.. I'll go back to pick-up a Road Glide or Road King

4 hours ago, balthazar said:

Wonder how this will effect their reputation / trust level going forward, even if it's regarding EVs. Multiple corporate-level marketing cheats don't go far in the 2nd-largest-capital-expenditure of a consumer's life.

BUt the thing is.. AMERICAN MEDIA.. won't cover it except for a blurb. GM or Ford.. or even Chry.. they would be running the stories back to back daily for 5 years. 

I mean really. I just thought about what I typed and almost threw up in my mouth at the bulls#!t. Especially if it were GM they would be obsessed over it.. demanding Trump ram Mary Barra's residence door down to get at her

The best selling premium crossovers sold are all FWD/AWD products from Lexus, Acura, Volvo, and.... Cadillac. Do we expect any crossover utilizing the status quo to actually do anything to raise a brands perception? The truth of the matter is that even with Mercedes, the current leader in luxury, the only SUV/CUV that they currently have that truly offers a glimpse of raising any bar is he G-Wagon. And that vehicle is still basically the same as it was 1000 years ago. The GLS, GLE, GLC, and GLA really do nothing so extraordinary that they make one believe that outside the emblem that they are truly special. I have experience in both the GLS and GLE one on one, and I could not for the life of me figure out why, in this case, the GLS was considered anything superior to an Escalade with a similar drive train. These vehicle are fluff. They are profit makers. GM has clearly stated, and I believe them, that they are going EV. This vehicle, like the XT5, and XT4 are to pay for that mission. Truthfully I believe that this XT6 is gonna be a hot seller. I think it will bring about 45-50K new sales into Cadillac. 

AND.. Its a rebadge.. or better yet a platform engineered entry to a segment where Cadillac desperately needed a contender. I think that is phenomenal for GM considering that this is a platform mate to 5 other vehicles. (Cxx) Lambda's Acadia, Enclave, Outlook, and Traverse reborn. That is six vehicles off one platform and as yet, I have not seen anyone outside of the car rags, and forum readers commenting anything about "rebadging." So much so I have a friend who recently bought a Traverse for himself, his wife has an XT5, and they are looking out for a decent blip of inventory of the Blazer for their daughter who is about to graduate Grad school in the Spring. In conversations with him and his wife, they not once seem to realize that they are driving platform mates. His wife didn't even know that the XT5 and Traverse were apart of the same corporation until they got their statements the same day from GM Finance

Why is that so hard to grapple? The market demanded that Cadillac put out a small and larger CUV that sandwiched the XT5/SRX. They responded pretty quickly considering the fact that outside of the Trailblazer overseas is the only model they have that could have served the purpose and answered a question that no one really asked outside of a group of so-called enthusiasts that probably won't buy anyway. Do I think that the Cadillac brand.. no.. GM as a whole needs a small RWD based architecture for CUVs? Yes.. and NO. If the Cadillac brand is delving into the EV market as they say they are in a few years.. no. Performance in a straight, which is really where the line should be drawn for tall wagons, considering the real driving capabilities of most Americans, is just too evident and too apparent with electric motors doing the pushing. What I think Cadillac should do is offer a secondary take on upcoming Escalade which goes the same route as the Range Rover and Range Rover Sport. Two vehicles.. one blatantly luxo.. the other luxo sport.. but really appealing to the Male demo as the CUVs in their portfolio are really aimed at women. I believe that the target segment for the XT6, intentionally, is to cater to more females than the heavy skewed male target market of the Escalade garners. I bet good money that U will see more men, by percentage, in the Aviator than U will see in the XT6. Similar in the way the old QX56 and Infiniti FX35-45 pulled in more males, while the EX35 pulled in women. But, for the sake of argument I will wait and see. I truly believe that CAdillac specifically designed the XT4,5, and 6 as vehicles to bring more women into the CUV portion of the brand. The Escalade and ESV will continue to be pushed to men, with the XT7, possibly going RWD to attract men looking for a smaller SUV.

10 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

They won't do that, though..if there is an XT7, it will be just another generic transverse engine crossover...a variation of the Traverse/Enclave.

Not convinced of that. In truth I think it is very plausible. 

altho the necxt CUV could be an EV.. which is shown on this chart as a LOW ROOF Lux

2 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

I just can't see GM getting in the high performance SUV game...they don't have a unibody RWD/AWD CUV, and it wouldn't make sense to use their generic FWD/transverse engine CUV platform or their full size BOF truck/SUV platform.  

They really don't need to go that deep into it. I really wish some would go drive a current Escalade.  It truly is a vehicle that, despite its size, is a marvel of handling. My Yukon SLT is basically the same vehicle and it has been leveled out in the rear (lowered) to no longer be hopped up. The handling is phenomenal.. and I can come around corners that even when driving my nieces Challenger RT I get a bit scared taking... despite its lower center of gravity and RWD. I won;t compare it to my V or Z for obvious reasons.. the Alpha platform being what it is.. along with the YBody. Point being.. the Escalade with the 8 Speed  was doing 0-60 in 5.8secs and a 1/4 in 14.4 sec @ 96.8 mph, pulling .77g. This is a 5900lb vehicle. Putting a 100-150 more HP, coupled to the faster shifting 10Speed, lowering it and inch or two.. and U have a pretty crazy performing large luxury SUV.. on the other end.. an XT7 could literally take the original SRX formula (which was essentially a tall STS) and raise a CT6 up a few inches, and add some metal to make it a style equivalent to the XT4