Camino LS6

Would you be surprised to hear that I hope I am wrong? I can't imagine that kind of thinking today. Today the general thought is more like 'whatever..I don't agree with what you say, so F you..." And that's really too bad, since it cheapens the right of free speech.

One thing I do find peculiar is the tendency of those who accept things like this to insist that those of us who do not just "accept it" , or "face it", because "that's just the way it is". And they even seem angry about it. I find that puzzling in a nation spawned from thinking like this: "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" - Patrick Henry

If you feel secure in your rights, well good for you. However, those rights have been violated many, many times in our history. The recent past shows multiple, glaring, examples of purely unconstitutional legislation being codified into law. It's the way of aging republics - history shows this clearly, and we are not immune.

This one instance of the erosion of freedom may seem insignificant to some, but it is part of a larger pattern in so many areas. Death by a thousand cuts is still death. And remember, this legislation is brought to you buy the same congress that gave us indefinite detention without trial for citizens even suspected of having ties to terrorism. There is reason to be wary.

It amazes me just how willing folks are these days to make this most dangerous bargain.

I'm not paranoid, I've just seen this slippery slope before. Trusting big brother is a fool's errand. This is special interest legislation at our expense and nothing more. Give it ten years, and you'll see where this leads.

You need to think about the implications of this a bit more, it's leverage for lawyers and insurance companies. It benefits those two groups, not the rest of us. It's just another step along the way to the time when we are forced into driverless cars. And one more way in which we are monitored and channeled. Just wait until a sharp lawyer starts carping about a wide open throttle position just before an accident you were involved in - never mind that you were trying to avoid the wreck by stabbing the gas, you will be painted as the guilty party. And once this becomes commonplace, the threshold will lower, cops will use it more often, insurance companies will demand it in every case, the safety nazis will use it to add even more requirements to every car... It's a bad beginning that will only worsen.

What part of mandatory don't you understand? And can you not see the potential for abuse here? This is not something we want institutionalized. And please explain (if you can) how exactly this black box is ever going to save a life. It isn't about safety, it's about money, and lawyers, and insurance companies. There is nothing but an added expense and another invasion of privacy for the consumer in this. I'm stunned that any of you would defend this.

Just "SS" ? Really? Glad to see Holden goodness coming back here, despite the silliness of using "SS" as a nameplate.

What a bunch of sheep we have become.

Yes, it isn't the potency of the V6 that I question. As a low-volume import the take rate on V6 cars would be so low as to be counter-productive - the G8 proved this. Until this can be built in Camaro volumes (which means building it in Oshawa), the V6 really isn't viable.

Well, it certainly is that.

I'm wondering if they might just go with Commodore, it would fit the pattern of Holden using the Cruze and Volt names in their home market.

Woof!

Umm.... no, no, and no again. It worked with GTO (not a Zeta BTW) It worked with G8 It works with Camaro And it will work with this car as well.

Like lambs to the slaughter...

All of the arguments over various products are sort of moot. The problem is that Opel has been spewing arterial blood for a decade or so to the tune of billions. Building cars in Germany is something of a lost cause for GM.

This thing is just an updated G8, and the G8 V6 cars sat on lots - nobody wanted them. GM really flubbed that product mix. As long as this remains a low-volume import, the V6 car is of questionable value. If production moves to Canada, well, that's another story.

I question the wisdom of a V6 sedan version, especially if it is an import.

Would look nice with an oak flatbed...

They aren't seriously going to call this car the "Chevrolet SS Performance" are they?

Forbes is nuts, there is NO victory for privacy! Court orders are a mere formality, rest assured that your insurance company and the police will access your data as a matter of course whenever there is an accident or a suspicion of a violation. To believe otherwise is to kid yourself. The other unpleasant aspect of this is that this legislation makes the boxes mandatory, which is a whole new kettle of fish vs. having some cars so equipped.

1) because it is bundled with a highway funding bill that the house will feel it has to pass. 2) Bitch at my reps about it. 3) (or 2A) Gripe about it publicly on the net

Precisely. All such legislation that smacks of control and monitoring is the creeping doom of any republic. Big Brother has a heavy hand, and we ignore it at our peril.

Price is too high, but I really like this one. Well preserved, and properly equipped without the damned woodgrain! Some light cosmetic restoration, and you have a very nice collectible. Cheers