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Yeah, and I was sorry I did. This does look to be a pretty nice car... you know, something to hold us until the Epsilon LaCrosse hits the market. Anyone know if the V8 can fit the new Epsilons?

You know that and I know that, but...

Agreed completely. Maybe GM is giving the technology time to trickle down from Cadillac...

I'm still interested in your opinion as to why GM even offers nav systems at all, if OnStar Turn-By-Turn is so superior. Wait a minute... I just saw a press release from April showing that OnStar is partnering with MapQuest for its turn-by-turn navigation. That ruins its "superiority" right there. Let's see... not only does everyone else (except Hyundai/Kia) offer nav, but the Altima and Avenger/Sebring will give traffic updates as well through XM or Sirius, something I know that OnStar doesn't do... unless you want to use up your hands-free calling minutes with the Virtual Advisor. So Honda, Toyota, and Ford may be catching up, but Nissan and even Chrysler are enjoying a view from the front. Technologically, that is.

Well, they've already been around for at least 7 and are only recently appearing in non-luxury cars. I'd say it's a good chance that they'll be around considering they even show up in econoboxes these days (read: Scion).

Right, 'cause we know no one's plans have ever changed while they were away from a computer...

"One of these things is not like the others..."

Yes, I realize that. You don't have to yell. I have also seen that the Directions and Connections package is $299 every year after the first... and $399 if your car was built before 2007. So it's not like you buy the car, put down an extra Benjamin at the jump, and then you get directions for all eternity. So unless one intends to keep their car only as long as they have that free first year of OnStar, it's not so cheap. Besides that lack of an option, I'd still consider a Malibu if I was looking mid-size.

$299 a year is cheap? I wish I had your job.

I'm beginning to think that the ones who are against touch-screen nav are the old guys of the boards. You know, the ones who may have also said that the cassette is superior to the CD.

No, I got it. But like it or not, Chrysler and Dodge are volume marques. They wouldn't survive with just that many models. Well, Chrysler wouldn't. Dodge might do ok. Jeep is more of a niche marque... I remember when they only had a couple of models and they did fine.

Sounds like a sure-fire plan for disaster to me. Or is that what you were going for?

Say that again for the old guys around here. :AH-HA_wink:

That is interesting. What gets me is how nav is offered in only one car (Corvette) but in all the trucks/SUVs except the Colorado... yes, even the Equinox gets the option.

Wasn't there talk of a Caddy BRX crossover some time ago? I ask because in the Spanish of most countries outside of Spain, VRX and BRX sound exactly the same. I doubt the name too... I haven't been able to find anything else of the sort about any VRX, hyphen or none.

It doesn't make it worthless not to have it, as neither the Kia Optima nor the Hyundai Sonata have it available. But on the other hand, it would lose out to the Fusion/Milan (SEL/Premier only), Accord (EX-L only), and Camry (SE and XLE). If anything, I believe it should at least be an option on the LTZ trim. Beyond the lack of nav, I don't believe this car will be anything near worthless... just electronically behind. ETA: Reg, I usually catch your sarcasm, but this wasn't one of those times.

No, I wouldn't, but that's not a good thing. Around here, you see the 300/Charger/Magnum so much that it's getting to the CamCord status of "I wish they would just disappear." ESPECIALLY the cars modded to look like SRT models but still have the 2.7 engine, so they're not fooling anybody... :AH-HA_wink:

You know what's bad? Someone will actually go and make that.

See, all of the LX vehicles blend in here, because there are so many of them.

Oh yeah, I knew that. I figured the Aussie versions would have just ben Monaros, though.

If they switched it to RWD, they'd either have to put it on the GS or LS platform, neither of which I could see happening. The Accord and Avalon may eventually compete since they're almost the same size now. Honda's problem is the cheap low end of its Accord lineup and the fact that they still compete with mid-sizers even though they're not midsize.

Or if not better in every aspect, it will be a whole lot more fun to whip up and down the road.

I guess so, since GM did not build this car to fight the Accord and Camry. That's what the Malibu and Aura are for... and, to some extent, the G6. Not the G8. That's like saying the Lucerne is in place to fight the TSX. The two are incomparable.

I guess it's your computer... it worked for me.