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2 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Someone interested in the car hobby could always re-power an obsolete EV as IC.
Someone built an LS-powered Model S already.  😁

I think that was a joke, not sure if it was ever finished. I recall seeing a video where someone was scoping out fitting an LS into a Model S and there wasn't nearly enough room for it...

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32 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

Just like there will be 'EV junkyards'...no one is going to keep an EV for 10 years or 150k miles...they will be obsolete and expensive to repair, just lease for a few years then junk/recycle...

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7 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Fit in a Grand Prix, it certainly could fit in a larger Model S.

From what I've seen, the frunk area ahead of the firewall is very tiny in the Model S...no room for a radiator, engine, etc.  maybe a transverse 4 would fit.  More Cruze or Sonic sized up front. 

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17 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

I think that was a joke, not sure if it was ever finished. I recall seeing a video where someone was scoping out fitting an LS into a Model S and there wasn't nearly enough room for it...

Just finished searching YouTube and yup, all click bait, no complete or running Tesla S conversion to ICE. Clearly does not fit without major re-engineering. did find a few Skylines that had been converted to EV using Tesla Motors. Pretty cool.

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25 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Of course major surgery is required.

I knew a guy who put a 426 Hemi in a Dodge Omni. Numerous people have put a blown big block Chevy in a Nash Metro.

You guys forget that torches, grinders and welders aren’t just for angry peasants.

You are thinking about cars with normal unibody structures, though...the Tesla doesn't have that..it has the giant battery pack and some simple aluminum and cardboard tubes attached to it with glue and spot welds, it sounds like..

I could someone doing some redneck engineering and mounting a Model S body on top of a truck chassis, though...

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9 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Of course major surgery is required.

I knew a guy who put a 426 Hemi in a Dodge Omni. Numerous people have put a blown big block Chevy in a Nash Metro.

You guys forget that torches, grinders and welders aren’t just for angry peasants.

Yup full story here it was all mock up as a joke.

https://insideevs.com/news/328334/tesla-model-s-fitted-with-chevrolet-ls3-v8-engine/

QUOTE: 

"The guys over at East Bay Muscle Cars haven’t given out much info about the build, and that’s because it was a joke all along."

"EBMC was actually recruited by Draper University in San Mateo, California, to take a Tesla Model S shell and turn it into a reception desk. It came out awesome, nonetheless, but during the early stages of the build, the guys at the shop couldn’t help themselves and dropped an LS3 into the “frunk” of the Model S shell."

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30 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

...someone doing some redneck engineering and mounting a Model S body on top of a truck chassis, though...

Sure; that and much harder automotive projects have been successfully executed before. If one can 'EV' an IC vehicle, the reverse is just as possible. Don't need a 'truck chassis'; people are custom building frames all the time. The back half of my B-59 (and the suspension) was scratch-built.

I know one guy (via the 'net) who put a B-59 on a '77 Cadillac chassis- nothing there remotely lines up and the wheelbase is wrong. All the body mount locations & number are different. He waved all that work off, and really had no answer as to what he gained by doing so. People with tools get ideas and make it work.

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I'm sure someone will ICE an EV at some point, but it doesn't really make sense... seems pointless.  With a Tesla, for instance, no performance advantage would likely occur from a lot of work to ICE it, since it's so fast the way it is in ludicrous mode.  

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Pffft- it could go faster.
'Making sense' is seldom part of radical re-engineering automotive projects. That's not the goal.

My brother is getting I think his 4th engine HE put into his Firebird finished up, and it was a fine running & looking 400CI powered car when he bought it. I drove it and it would burn the tires off (too small/street tires). It hasn't been street legal since I think the 1st engine replacement, but he keeps re-doing & re-doing it. His prerogative, but basically it's driven by wanting to go faster.

Engine 3 was already way faster than a Model S in Ludicrious; best (lightly modified) time I've seen was 10.41 sec and he was already at 9.6. New mill should be good for right around 7.9-8.0, which would equal the verified world's fastest EV doorslammer.

Top EV performance is light years behind top IC performance. And an IC competition engine can still be torn down/rebuilt faster than it takes a Model S to fully charge & bring the batteries up to ideal temp for Ludicrious Mode launches.

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18 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

I'm sure someone will ICE an EV at some point, but it doesn't really make sense... seems pointless.  With a Tesla, for instance, no performance advantage would likely occur from a lot of work to ICE it, since it's so fast the way it is in ludicrous mode.  

Agree, the upgrades will come when 3rd party vendors build bigger EV motors and people take a Tesla S and put in a much larger EV motor.

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I don't believe it's the motors as much as it is the batteries. Unfortunately for competition; the EV packages are the antithesis of competition - they are HEAVY. Model S is 5000 lbs and it's not really that quick. 100 lbs = 1/10th of a sec in the quarter mile.
Giving it more power/batteries just makes it heavier, not lighter.

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19 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Pffft- it could go faster.
'Making sense' is seldom part of radical re-engineering automotive projects. That's not the goal.

My brother is getting I think his 4th engine HE put into his Firebird finished up, and it was a fine running & looking 400CI powered car when he bought it. I drove it and it would burn the tires off (too small/street tires). It hasn't been street legal since I think the 1st engine replacement, but he keeps re-doing & re-doing it. His prerogative, but basically it's driven by wanting to go faster.

Engine 3 was already way faster than a Model S in Ludicrious; best (lightly modified) time I've seen was 10.41 sec and he was already at 9.6. New mill should be good for right around 7.9-8.0, which would equal the verified world's fastest EV doorslammer.

Top EV performance is light years behind top IC performance. And an IC competition engine can still be torn down/rebuilt faster than it takes a Model S to fully charge & bring the batteries up to ideal temp for Ludicrious Mode launches.

Those aren't for real world use, though, right? ...stuff built for drag racing has no bearing on real world performance cars.

12 minutes ago, balthazar said:

I don't believe it's the motors as much as it is the batteries. Unfortunately for competition; the EV packages are the antithesis of competition - they are HEAVY. Model S is 5000 lbs and it's not really that quick. 100 lbs = 1/10th of a sec in the quarter mile.
Giving it more power/batteries just makes it heavier, not lighter.

I don't think people are necessarily building drag racers out of a Model S..definitely too heavy for that use case..I'm talking about real world performance...a Model S in ludicrous mode is 2.4 sec 0 to 60, .that's very quick for a real car with a warranty, working A/C, cup holders and all the essentials...

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If one happened to live in an area where they thought they could get away with ludicrous mode launches without getting nailed, I suppose. Seen plenty of videos of teslas on the drag strip, tho, but there they’re limited to what Tesla built. Drag racing a factory stock car always struck me as pointless.


Point of my answer was, you could build a markedly faster Model S if you went IC. If that was important to you.

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19 minutes ago, balthazar said:

 


Point of my answer was, you could build a markedly faster Model S if you went IC. If that was important to you.

I'm sure one could, but it would be a lot of work.  I like vehicles that come with warranties, predictably start, have working A/C and don't require hours and hours of wrenching.  Get in, drive, enjoy..I need another fun car..(I don't really want a Tesla, though, lots of ICE vehicles that are quite appealing to me).  

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There are plenty of swaps that are done just because they can and want to. Stuffing a Ferrari 458 engine in a BRZ is one that comes to mind. They can into all sorts of issues but just wanted to because they had the skill and money. 

Anybody doing real swaps like that are just doing it because they want to, more than anything else. Like @balthazar said, in the end, it's just because they want to. 

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Very true what @balthazar and @ccap41 are saying that those with skills, money and desire for the project will convert.

Perfect example is me. I have my 1994 GMC SLE Suburban up on blocks now, planning to pull the ICE powertrain and convert to AWD electric. Love my suburban, love the space, want a nice fast quiet ride and with the space between the wheels underneath, it will fit enough SCRiB Toshiba Solid state batteries to give me an 800 mile charge. Using in-wheel hub motors with dual controllers will according to the manufacture in Detroit give me 800 hp and 4,000 lb ft of torque.

Cost of the motors, wiring, controllers, etc. comes in at $12K. Battery pack is almost $60K. Yes, $72K or buy a new ICE Suburban. But the new ones I do not like as much as my old one and it is paid for, I have my SS and Escalade, so why not have a cool project for me to work on and the wife once Rivian and Ford have their EVs out will get a new auto.

That is my plans and focus. I do have to find a buyer for the custom built 402 I have in the suburban with trans, diff's and customer chip controller. :P  Love auto projects.

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7 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

72k isn't worth it, IMHO. That's just absurd.. 

What the price difference for 50% of that battery pack for 400 miles of range? Or 500 miles of range? 

400 miles was $30k half the price. I honestly thought the same thing when I originally priced it out over the holiday break, but then thought about this as just like @balthazar auto project that he has been working on for years, this will take me a few years too and the last thing to buy and install will be the battery pack. As such, I expect big changes to happen in the battery industry over the next 18 to 24 months and costs to come down considerably by the time I purchase the batteries.

I am also going to update the interior with new carpet, insulation, etc. All things bulbs will be replaced with LEDs, so this is a long term project for me, I am excited to start.

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47 minutes ago, dfelt said:

400 miles was $30k half the price. I honestly thought the same thing when I originally priced it out over the holiday break, but then thought about this as just like @balthazar auto project that he has been working on for years, this will take me a few years too and the last thing to buy and install will be the battery pack. As such, I expect big changes to happen in the battery industry over the next 18 to 24 months and costs to come down considerably by the time I purchase the batteries.

I am also going to update the interior with new carpet, insulation, etc. All things bulbs will be replaced with LEDs, so this is a long term project for me, I am excited to start.

While so much of it is taken apart, you should dynomat everything. I've ridden in a vehicle where they dynomat-ed the wheel wells and it is amazing how much noise is coming from the tires and pavement. At that point, what's another $500-1000 to dynomat the inside of every panel and it would truly be whisper quite inside and out. 

I'm looking into putting a dynomat on the insides of my wheel wells because that would be great. 

Do you have everything taken out already and you're just waiting to start purchasing things or is there still plenty of disassembly to go? Project pictures?? 

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3 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

While so much of it is taken apart, you should dynomat everything. I've ridden in a vehicle where they dynomat-ed the wheel wells and it is amazing how much noise is coming from the tires and pavement. At that point, what's another $500-1000 to dynomat the inside of every panel and it would truly be whisper quite inside and out. 

I'm looking into putting a dynomat on the insides of my wheel wells because that would be great. 

Do you have everything taken out already and you're just waiting to start purchasing things or is there still plenty of disassembly to go? Project pictures?? 

Right now just up on the blocks, ski season is my focus, so will start taking it apart this spring.

Agree with you on the Dynomat. Planning to do the whole auto, so from the roof to the doors, fire wall, floor, etc. dynomat to remove the road noise.

Wife and I have gotten to the point where on road trips, we do not want the tire, wind noise, etc. want a quiet relaxing drive.

As I start taking it apart, I am planning on doing a thread on the project so folks can see what all I end up doing to it.

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