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Actually, behind the glass it looks like there IS a pillar. Those aren't suicide doors so there has to be a B-Pillar.

No, it actually is the 6th Gen. 1st: 73-75 2nd: 78-80 3rd: 85-91 4th: 92-98 5th: 99-04 6th: G6, 05-present

Sweet!

People don't ask for the 3800 by name. If GM suddenly switched and only put the 3.6 in all the 3800 cars, ten bucks says fewer than 15% of buyers would notice and care.

That steering wheel in the Regal is hideous. YUCK!

I don't have inside information, but from what we've had indicated to us in the past, mid-late 2009 sounds about right. These indications date back to late October/early November so changes could had occurred.

I wouldn't be so sure...

Why are you taking it so personally? IT IS AN ENGINE! Seriously, chill out. :rolleyes:

razor chill out. many members here agree with both reg and myself. the 3800 has done its duty, and needs to be gone. GM is already using its replacement, and impala and monte carlo already have it. its time to put it in buick and pontiac now. The cars are already saddled with being W-bodies and the inherent interior packaging issues with that platform, why put them at a disadvantage with the 3800? I figure GM should at the very least not have an unrefined engine in an dated platform. Might as well get a few more sales by putting in the better engine so the cars at least have more of a selling point. Oh well, W is on its way out, and it was another good platfom.

In a 1955 letter, CS Lewis said that he preferred the Magician's Nephew first, but that he also conceded that the series could be read in any order.

See, I've seen far too many Caddies with the fins just crushed or mangled (even the fins you don't consider as fins) as the result of an accident, and they never look as good as they did pre-crash no matter how much effort is put into them. Face it, things that stick out tend to get clipped, whether they are sidemirrors, antennae or fins. Just imagine a finned Cadillac parked in typical strip mall row parking, and that minivan is backing out of a spot and instead of tapping the bumper lightly, it crushes a fin. They just aresn't worth it. Subtle nods to the past are classy and attractive ways of paying homage to the great designers of yesteryear. Honestly, it's kind of like fashion...whenever we say "The 80s are back!" (like they are now) it really isn't 1985 all over again. If that were the case it would look ridiculous. No, it is a few things from the 80s worn in tandem with more current lines, like aviators worn with modern casual clothing like Abercrombie & Fitch or Pac Sun: a subtle nod to the past without reliving it and being stuck in a time warp.

??? No, I'm saying the above poster is making a good point.

My V6 ML320 has beaten many cars off the line that it had no business beating. My driving style can best be described as "punch and go." My best one though was against a riced-out Civic. Not because of any real skill or or anything...but because we ended up doing 90 on SR37 (not the safest thing to do as SR37 narrows to one lane right before merging into I-69 just north of 116th St) and later I found out from some friends driving behind me that there were two cops that were trying to get us but I took the exit at 116th St. and "lost" them (wasn't trying). Sheer adrenaline factor. I admit it wasn't a difficult kill.

But the testicles speak sage advice.

Actually, Satty...many boxed sets used to have the order of starting with Lion and ending with Magician's Nephew. Newer editions put Magician's Nephew first as C.S. had originally intended the order to be.

They already did: Very subtle, but they are there. You have to see it in person though to really see it.

Can we get back on track here? Any updates Hogans_Heros?

No, you're thinking of Rosie. Oprah does way too many makeovers on her show to be gay.

But Ford and Chrysler are hardly the benchmark vans in the segment. Honda Odyssey, Nissan Quest and even Kia Sedona get 5s all around. The Sienna did in 2004, when the new model bowed, but for some reason only gets 4 for the driver, both in 2005 and 2006. I doubt Toyota changed anything, but whatever. Point is, that GM is not competitive in that segment. --- Product takes time to improve, yes, but that is where the focus of the company needs to be. I just don't see where you think you can push inferior product on people better than through fire-sales. Price is the only thing GM can claim when the materials and build quality are lacking. Has GM gotten better? Well, yes. That said, they aren't there yet. Save the big marketing campaigns to get people into showrooms when the vehicles are actually deserving of the hype.

I see no problem in making cars safer up front so fewer people die. I think a combination of the two would be best. Really, I don't think that cars are getting any uglier due to the new design measures. Many European cars already were quite hideous to begin with...

Actually the pedestrian measures are more for drivers making right hand turns and not watching for pedestrians.

You'd accept an engine with 90hp and 4-cyl? Please.

Reliable? Yes. Safe? No. Minivans are decidedly lacking, even still. They need dual 5* ratings to be competitive. Fuel efficient? Depends on segment. Sometimes GM does pretty well, other times, like Aveo, it is woefully behind. GM needs more hybrid technology. DoD is a big step. Dealers need to be improved. Their level of service leaves a lot to be desired, even to long-term customers. Marketing is not a panacea, Buickman. You have yet to learn that. The overall quality of vehicles must improve and no amount of good marketing will fix the negative perceptions from having a cheap-looking product.

NG = Next Gen

Why? If I make a better burger am I obligated to credit McDonald's for making the Big Mac? No.