gm4life

i've always liked these for some reason.

Me too, I have total respect for this car and this 76-77 LeMans front end.

I don't think CAFE is the way to do it though. Consumer demand will assure cars become more efficient on their own.

Amen. You are exactly right.

LoL! No.

I was going to say, I thought it was going to be EP II. Chris have you seen it yet?

The government should be putting their foot down and do something about the price of oil, not create these stupid ass Cafe mandates this is not helping us out any. Once again they are taking the wrong steps.

Exactly, I am all for domestic production and alternatives. (bio fuels etc.)

So the government is the new scapegoat to blame the Domestic's problems on? I guess you have to mix it up from the media blaming once in a while.

No government is helping the problem though. GM took government money and that opened up a whole new can of worms, GM should have changed alot of things along time ago. It would have started with better managment and not giving into the Union. Government is now part of the problem and another thing GM has to deal with. The sooner GM can get free from the government the better off they will be. Domestics problems started long before this bail-out but they certainly haven't helped, marked my words. (Government that is.) Government can't run themselves well much less a car company! I am just sick of everyone saying Obama and the Government had nothing to do with it, because they have been part of the problem since GM took the money. Just since that point, not before, although CAFE and regulations and poor trade policy haven't helped. Just watch out.

I know everything I hear about bankruptcy seems better than this.

Olds and Daryl both of you are right. It would have BEEN much better than this.

I guess GM should have stayed away from government-sponsorship and chose their own path to profitable success that included all of its brands.

I guess they'll also start issuing hunting licenses for flying swine, too.

Yup, that could very well happen.

///Sigh/// I wish Bush hadn't started all this Bail-out crap... promoting inefficient market practices... extra bureaucracy... Bush was no economic/fiscal conservative, that's for sure!

I suppose as long as GM retains the rights to Pontiac it would not be all that hard to reintroduce it at a later date.

Amen. If Pontiac goes now it is gone for good I think though, they just need one model or two to remain as place holders.

Fair enough.

But what many here should realize is that Pontiac and its fate are very important to many here.

So expect passion and long discussion in threads such as this one.

Yup exactly Camino.

For what it's worth, two people in the industry with reason to know say that Pontiac will not be killed tomorrow.

No, I'm not going to tell you who they are as I know them both.

And no, I'm not taking their word as gospel (not these days), but it tempers my expectations a bit.

As I said, for what it's worth.

Camino:

Well this is positive news, I will pray you are right.

FOG:

I do have some fear Government will go after classic cars, that get bad fuel economy, that are fun to drive and have big V8's. Nothing is stopping them, plenty of "green" people on booth sides of the political specturm to support this. Hell GWB let CAFE go through, and I wasn't happy with him about that. Both sides have come under attack of our freedoms with things like CAFE or cash for clunkers law. Having said that FOG, as much as I hate to say it, I HAVE TO agree with you. I just don't want to say anything to loud. Then again why should I care if I write GM/Pontiac emails or disagree with others on this forum. Or disagree with government taking over compaines like GM and telling them what to build. The free market will work and the people will demand what they want. Keep fighting the good fight, I fear lots of things we will not like are going to happen to our cars and more importantly lives that we will not like. It this makes me stupid or crazy so be it. This group think scares me and that GM is the big bad wolf building un-efficent, poor quality cars people don't want upsets me.

I don't trust anyone or anything anymore, and especially government.

The cocksure conformist apologists around here hate independent thinking.

Please piss them off when you can. :AH-HA_wink:

Keep writing those letters whenever you feel the need.

Bless you Camino, bless you.

Sorry to hear about the Bonnie being injured. Someone ran into the wife's car at Columbus State the other week and drove off without leaving a note.

People are idiots.

Chris

Indeed, well I can't get too worked up over it until summer when she gets fixed. In the mean time I have bigger fish to fry. Sorry to hear about your wifes ride getting hit.

Corolla is a penalty box for the stupid.

I have to agree. It is a really boring car and isn't any better than the superior Honda Civic or Ford Focus.

Don't think this has been posted, if it has, my apologies ...

Nope thanks for the news as bad as it is to hear.

Wow hes just trying to get answers you don't need to be a dick to him because of it.

Thank you, I don't expect anyone to read it, but it made me feel better. Daryl should I feel bad for doing it, or expressing my concerns? I thought it was always welcomed in this country. Then again maybe I am wrong. Prolly wrong for sticking by GM all these years, and if Chevrolet and Cadillac live, I plan to do so. I just hope my son or I can get our hands on a new Camaro SS before they go away forever.

I have written Pontiac/GM two emails, not letters with a stamp. I would never ever want them to waste 84 cents on a loyal Pontiac owner and longtime GM customer, would I? Why can't I write a letter? Don't I have the freedom to send a letter telling them why it is a mistake and why market share will slip to the imports, because GM killed "our" brand? Expressing a view point in this country is almost always welcomed, actually encouraged by some, when something happens people try to do something about it. At least that is how I was raised. I am just dumb-founded on a GM forum why I would get asked such a question about writing them a legit letter with my concerns. I didn't expect anyone to read it, but it made me feel better that I could at least give them fair warning of what is most likely going to happen. I also said it is a real shame when you have excellent product like the G8 and Solstice you have to "kill" them.

Pontiac Dead Jalopnik

^Found this in this article on Jalopnik... Interesting or was it from the last time they pronounced Pontiac dead?^

I'll know more on Monday, I am praying they are just getting cut back to the G8 and Solstice and maybe a Coupe/Vert G6. Even if only as place holders in the market place if it ever picks up again it leaves the door open to GM to bring them back, with the products they deserve. Might be wishful thinking, but the announcement could be a drastic cut or change in the line-up. Here's to wishful thinking. In the mean time, I will pray and my second letter was sent off to Pontiac/GM Friday.

You do great work, I hope my summer project landscaping with my son turns out 1/2 as good as what you do.

Nah, pontiacs don't suffer, they fight back.

Exactly, and I am even taking my Bonneville in to have the fender re-painted and a dent popped out. That won't be cheap but it will be worth is to make it look right again. It happend this past week and need to fix it, but won't happen until June prolly. I just wish I knew how it happend.

Yeah you're really opening yourself up on for some trouble ahead on that one... a couple years ago while I was visiting Nova Scotia I drove my Aunt's 'rebuilt' 1999 Volvo V70 XC- a nice wagon that was in great shape for having 300'000km but it just didn't drive right at all... wheels were off camber, it pulled to one side etc, my Aunt said that neither the Volvo dealer nor the independent mechanics she frequented could remedy the situation. She basically unloaded it for a 2007 Fusion SEL AWD.

Don't worry I am looking into it. The car is actually close enough that I can drive it before I buy it, and if it checks out okay with a mechanic and drives right. I will move on it. He has proof of all the repairs with OEM GM parts, so I can get a look at what needed to be replaced and actually happend. If it was mostly cosmetic then it should be okay. I know a number of people with rebuilt cars and they all drive well and have been happy. It is a case by case thing. At this price I owe it to myself to check it out.

Well I had a short chat and the he isn't ready to sell it, judging by his "firm pricing" nice guy tho. Got an 2002 GP 40th Anni about 150 miles from me, that was a rebuilder looks great with only 72K on it for 5300 only problem is its a sedan. Still I have put in a call and an email into the seller. Car was repaired with all new GM parts and has all the "extra" stuff that 40th edition models had. We'll see what happens with this one. It would be a hell of alot shorter drive to boot!

A very clean '73 Mustang Mach I fastback in blue with silver accents, factory mags and a heavily modded 351 for sale a block away for the in-laws house in a small town. (68 I think even you would approve, it was a 4spd!) Also across the street when I was visting was a 1969 Camaro Drop-top in Aqua Blue with rally wheels and white racing strips 396 SS and that was a 4spd. as well and sounded so sexy. It made me miss those cars, again.

Well if Pontiac dies I really do hope that Buick can stay around along with GMC. I know how much this sucks for a Pontiac man, and would never want to put a fellow GM fan through it with "their" brand. In the mean time, while I own two great Pontiac's I very well could be adding a 3rd, might as well seen as they won't be around for ever. Also my Bonneville has a an odd dent/paint chip on the front fender, time for her to go to the body shop. The point being I am going to keep my Pontiac's I have for a while and Bonneville prolly till I die or my son gets me to give it up. That 2001 GP SE looks even more appealing after hearing all this news. I do fear GM could very well be Cadillac and Chevrolet, and I hope then Chevy would have a great SS line-up WITH performance, and no-excuses cars IN EVERY segment.

Well I feared this day would come. Now it has.

Hell, no. If anything I will be adding another one to the fleet, like the '01 GP Coupe I have my eye on. Why would I want my cars to suffer? Especially my Pontiac's?