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Would you just calm down? Wagoneer had to go. It became painfully obvious over the past 12 months that his time as CEO needed to end. The shareholders were obviously not voting in their financial best interest when they kept him in charge.

You're not going to see Barney Frank or Chris Dodd at the helm... so just calm down about it.

I am just very scared for GM at this point. I don't want any republican in the congress running this joint either. I just hope GM picks someone and not the task force. I just am scared very scared, I hope I am not seeing the start of the end of GM... I hope whomever gets the job will do a good job, then again I always like Wagoner so I am biased. I am just concerned about too much goverment getting into this. It needs to be GM's choice because after they file chapter 11 or get through this tough patch they will be stuck with this new person, I just hope the CEO is the right one.

I am changing my mind, this cannot be good. Goverment should never get involved to "booting" people out of private buisness. I think Chris Dodd would also do a wonderful job of running GM into the ground. This is my problem with goverment and the "Union Bailout" started under Bush and keeps going under Obama just great. Damn it, I am almost ready to say screw it-- I am buying a Ford or Honda, no kidding. Nor should goverment select who will run the company from here on out...

This could be good or bad... Hmmm very interesting...

Flog 'em while we got 'em. That is why my son or I will be getting a 5th generation Camaro 1SS within a few years!

The interior is fine for the $23-27k model, but for the 2SS especially, at $35k or more, they should add a "nice interior" option like Ford did with the Mustang. The interior is unacceptable for a $35k car, I don't care if it has 422HP and looks sweet.

That is not going to stop someone in my family from getting a 5th Gen SS.

I personally don't care...as long as there is choice and I can choose either a frugal car or a performance car more power to them.

That said, I think it's ugly and prefer the Insight or the Volt.

Smart man here. I agree.

Camaro is growing on me slowly, the Mustang is a huge improvement over the -05-09's....but still the Challenger is the one I would get if I had the cash. Granted it has the most dull/plain jane interior of the 3, but the exterior more than makes up for it. Plus I just love the quad headlights and full width taillights.

I like the Dodge, but I'd take the Camaro anyday over the Mustang or Challenger.

You don't have to visit California, California will come to you ...

You damn right and that is what scares me.

Therein lies the problem - we'd rather you keep that kind of crap within your borders.

I don't mind avoiding California, but I get pretty angry when it tries to invade.

I can't believe someone on C&G is sticking up for the silly thing this states does.

The State Of California = The most anti-car government on the planet.

Sooooo glad not to live there!

So true. First CAFE then Emissions and now this. Give me a break when people in this great free country they call the USA can't get a black car do to emissions that is crazy.

Nice car welcome back to GM! Wishing you the best of luck with it and also the Cobalt coupe is pretty sharp BV!

How long are people going to wait before admitting that this is a good thing?

I don't know, but it might not happen. This car is selling really well all things considered, I have some hope for Pontiac.

They won't. They will keep buying their Corollas or Cobalts and look down on us because we like some fun and performance in our cars.

Yup.

No way, Buick performance cars were always an anomaly in the lineup. Alpha will fail at Buick.

Not two deep, BTW, but three deep with variants.

G8 w/variants

G6 on Alpha w/ variants

Soltice w/ variants

As a niche brand that lineup is perfect. For volume another approach would be needed.

Great idea, a side not do you think a Alpha G6 would sell well Camino?

I could support a Pontiac with only three or four models. G6, G8, Solstice and a possible Firebird/Trans Am via Camaro. The Firebird/Trans Am would be true to history at least.

Um... Yeah. Why they don't sell this here instead of the DTS I don't understand- it would cut costs and its got some luxury goods you can't get on the DTS.

I would love them to sell that here too, shame I'll never be able to afford one, and that would be in addition to the STS and DTS.

Great write-up.

The thing no one is considering here is that without Pontiac, Buick and GMC have no reason to live.

The whole concept of BPG will be tossed out along with the Arrowhead.

The entire strategy of killing Pontiac is fataly flawed.

No one forced anyone out of a GM cars but GM. Lack of product that the consumer wanted and the lack of quality in the past burned too many people. Todays consumer is not a loyal American buing American products. He wants the best car for the money and after getting Burned by the big three he found what he wanted in an import car. Welcome to world market 101.

I do find that interesting, and GM will force even MORE people out of their cars without a Pontiac. Thanks for helping make my point. As for the rest of your comment I have to agree to some extent. They are paying for mistakes 20-30 years ago, and GM's new products like G8, Enclave, Malibu, Silverado and CTS all are very good quality products and competitive if not close to class leading in there segments. Think about some of the awards they have won...

Those cars qualify as GM's junk? Wow... That's a pretty gross generalization.

As for what the Astra had going for it... Umm... The best small car market in the history of car sales, you'd think, might help them move at least 50,000 units.

The case of the G8 isn't meaningless in the grand scheme of things because it illustrates what potential a supposedly "dead" GM division has when it's parent company actually does something right for once. (I just wish the same potential could've been seen in Saturn, because it was definitely there.)

My point is as old and tired as Levi jeans. Until GM learns how to manage its divisions correctly and get the product right, we will not see the company recover.

They must get the basics right before they even begin to think about selling volume and subsequent sales results. The G8 has all of the basics right. It's an excellent product that CONVEYS the right thing for the image that the brand/public promotes/perceives. That's why Saturn can't sell an Outlook and Buick won't be able to sell a sport tuned Alpha. People do NOT perceive the brand in that fashion and unless GM has TONS of marketing money, it'll be like pissing in the wind.

I am so excited about this car. I have read all reviews so far and watch countless Youtube video's with so much that could have went so wrong, Chevrolet got everything so right.

how is buick a better save than pontiac. china aside, what equity does it have here making it worthy of the investment GM is going to put into it? I don't want a one line answer like Enclave proves buick still has life in them. I want credible evidence, and thorough plans and details of forecasts for the future. personally, I can see evidence both ways, which leaves it up to product execution in an important segment, and redefining the brand with better focus.....GM has proven inadequate at this.

Great point... The same could be said about the G8 and Solstice like it was just said about the Enclave.

I always knew you were a loser, but I didn't know you were a sore loser.

Anyway. I never said anything about Pontiac being GMs most important division. I merely posted the facts.

Thank you FOG. I am glad someone can just state fact around here some around here seem to miss it.

Ahh hate to break the news but most of the people left the Pontiac party a long time ago. Look at the numbers. Also they all did not go to Toyota.

I did not want a Chevy either with two Pontiac still in my garage but I wanted a fun perfomance car with more than two seats that got good MPG for daily driving. I had to buy a Chevy.

10 Years ago I would say let invest in Pontiac and fix em up but today Pontiac is too damaged and the money needs to go to divison GM can still be save. I hope the Pontiac niche deal is not to just starve out the dealers and that once GM can get back on their feet they can rebuild Pontiac. But one only has to look at this with their brain and not their heart to know Pontiac is on life support and it is unlikley it will come off. I am more worried GM will still make it in one piece.

Chevy, Opel and Buick spun off could live on their own. Buick would be China only as would Opel Europe only. Caddy might live if absorbed by someone else.

If Pontiac had to go out on their own how long would they last? It would last shorter than Saturn.

Do I like any of this Hell no. But it is the reality and not unlike the real world of life or death. We all hate to lose someone or die ourselves but it happens.

You either move with the world or you get left behind. Pontiac got left behind and not much of a chance to catch up.

It s time for those who think market share to wise up and realize it is profits that count. You can own 50% of the market and still file chapter 11. GM needs to make a profit and do it soon. If not there is not going to be anything under the GM emblem. It will be broken up and only some of it will be left to other companies or on it's own.

THe other reality is Olds would have only made GM's problems come sooner as it was just a big bleeder. The new cars were not workng and many of those people would have left anyways. The exodus started long before they decided to shut down. Other wise it would not have shut down when they did.

THeir only mistake was not making it a niche model to keep from buing the dealers out. Hmmm sounds familier?

I did not leave Pontiac they left me a long time ago. The same goes for many of my Pontiac buddies as we have our older Pontiacs but we are driving Chevys and Cadillacs.

Honestly GM cannot become Toyota, it won't work for them. Once again it will force even more people out of GM vehicles. I hate to say it, a GM without Pontiac would be a sad place. Time and time again Pontiac outsells Buick nearly two to one in the US so why would we get rid of GM's third best selling division? I hope your wrong about Pontiac's fate because a GM without a Pontiac is a huge mistake.

Any info on the launch control or how to extract max performance from a manual trans car? (With and/or without launch control?)