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  1. 15 hours ago, David said:

    Honestly, nice looking is being nice as it already looks dated on the outside and the inside they have gone touch pretty much everything and as such with no physical buttons, I have to wonder just how easy it is to make the basics work.

    I also would have serious concerns about the head rests as that metal crown around the seat I can see hurting people seriously in a crash and having some bruises by just smacking it in normal use. 

    I honestly have mixed feelings as some things are nice others are WTF were they thinking. Very weird SUV.

    I feel they are trying to make the old older work with the newest new of tech and just not getting it to blend well.

    Those "metal pieces" are very thin pieces of aluminum which makes it no more of a hazard than hard grade plastics. And how EXACTLY would someone hit their head on an obviously recessed piece of aluminum? This basic design is present in a lot of premium and sporty cars and SUVs these days. It's also only available in the Autograph trim. "Old" design is purely subjective as well. I'm not saying it's a beauty queen but it most certainly does not look "old". It has the same basic profile as the outgoing model but, again, that is common is every large SUV (See the damn near identical profiles of the last two Gen GM full size models as one example). 

     

    I get what you're trying to say here but it seems more like nitpicking given the examples provided. 

     

    IMO, it's an upgrade in every way over the outgoing model and that is the simple goal here.

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  2. I honestly dig the look and this will be a far more important car for Rivian than the R2 just because of the potential price point alone (assuming, again, a reasonable price point can be had here). Like a few others have said though, no Apple CarPlay or Android Auto would be a deal killer for me. 

  3. 1 hour ago, surreal1272 said:

    Powertrain variety aside (which is a smart move on their part if they can pull it off) this is just same basic look, on the outside, that has existed for over a decade now. Seeing it in person may alter my "meh" response to that but the first glance is just that for me. The interior doesn't really hit all that great either. Sure, a step up from the current Charger interior but maybe something other than "Batman Black" in there would be nice lol. The price for the EV versions are going to be ridiculous though. Bank on it.

    Corrected in bold because autocorrect was drunk the first time.

  4. Powertrain variety aside (which is a smart move on the part if they can pull it off) this is just same basic look, on the outside, that has existed for over a decade now. Seeing it in person may alter my "meh" response to that but the first glance is just that for me. The inkeriror doesn't really hit all that great either. Sure, a step up from the current Charger interior but maybe something other than "Batman Black" in there would be nice lol. The price for the EV versions are going to be ridiculous though. Bank on it.

  5. 12 hours ago, David said:

    Lets correct one thing!

    HONDA DID NOT install their own hardware / software!!!

    Pure semantics (although Honda did, in fact, install their own form of the software) as the bigger point was made and confirmed by your post. GM screwed up six ways from Sunday by going their own way with the software side of things. ZERO background in it prior but "HEY! We're GM! Let's a proven tech and make it absolute hot garbage in form and execution".

    On a side note...

    Not four months ago, I caught absolute hell (although less so the last three months because well, you know 😎) for pointing out GMs screw ups, knowing all I had to do was sit back let GM speak for themselves and now here we are. I am not saying GM can't or won't figure this out but the next time a fanfic tells me "That was forty years ago GM", I am going to point to this and the host of other screw ups brought on by GM as my vindication lol. 

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  6. Full disclaimer: As well as being a wagon fan, I am a huge van fan. I spent the first 14 years of my life going everywhere in my dad's '71 Chevy Sport 10 van (and a 3 on the tree to boot). Like the wagon, they have a unique history in this country and have shunned for the same dumb reasons.

    I also said I would never buy a VW but if I did, this would be it. Room galore in the classic van sense while being the same relative length as the Atlas. If they can get the range up, it would be worth considering if the money is ever there for me lol. I say all this because I came across a short video walk around of it and I dig about 95% of the ID Buzz Long Wheelbase, The video gives a pretty good look at it too. Put some classic dome wheel covers on it and SOLD!

     

     

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  7. The lack of AWD (which is criminal IMO) is what's keeping the Carnival from being the perfect van. Even lacking that, I would take one over any other minivan and about every CUV/SUV. Don't know if I care for the revised from end very much but will hold judgement until I see one in person. I like the clean look of the current model.

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  8. @smk4565 Want to explain this while you claim Jeeps are not selling?

     

    https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/fca-reports-fourth-quarter-and-full-year-2023-sales-results-302025792.html

     

    This part:

    Jeep brand saw fourth-quarter U.S. sales in 2023 increase 7% versus the same period last year. The Jeep Wrangler 4xe and the Jeep Grand Cherokee 4xe are the two top-selling plug-in hybrids in the country.

    • Jeep Wrangler 4xe, the first-ever electrified Jeep Wrangler, remains America's best-selling plug-in hybrid vehicle, with 67,429 (43%) of total Jeep Wrangler U.S. sales in 2023
    • Jeep Wrangler 4xe U.S. sales increased 56% year over year, and 76% during the fourth quarter versus the same period last year
    • Jeep Grand Cherokee 4xe accounted for 45,684 (19%) of Grand Cherokee total U.S. sales in 2023. The Grand Cherokee remains the No. 2 best-selling plug-in hybrid in the U.S.
    • Grand Cherokee 4xe U.S. sales increased 636% year over year, and 216% during the fourth quarter versus the same period last year
    • Total Grand Cherokee U.S. sales increased 10% year over year and was up 22% in the fourth quarter versus the same period last year  
    • Jeep Compass U.S. sales increased 12% year over year and was up 28% in fourth quarter versus the same period last year
    • Jeep Renegade U.S. sales increased 177% during the fourth quarter versus the same period last year
    • The brand's fully electric Jeep Recon will debut in 2024

    The Grand Wagoneer and Wagoneer continue to gain sales momentum.   

    • Wagoneer fourth-quarter U.S. sales in 2023 increased 39% versus the same period last year
    • Grand Wagoneer fourth quarter U.S. sales in 2023 increased 9% versus the same period last year
    • The fully-electric Wagoneer S will debut this year alongside the Jeep Recon. The vehicles represent the brand's start to its electrification strategy to provide new levels of efficiency, environmental responsibility, performance and capability, on and off the road
  9. 13 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    The upmarket Jeeps aren't selling either.  The Dodge Hornet and Alfa Romeo Tonale are on the Compass platform, which neither of them are selling, but I wouldn't be surprised if they keep those around for another 8-10 years.  

    Yeah, just skip over the other three Jeeps (notice he said not squat about Dodge and Alfa) that have successfully moved up market, thus proving Drews point. FFS.

  10. 19 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    It's a stop-gap.

    They have been trying to do something with the rotary engine for years now since the RX-8 and apparently they love beating that dead horse. A “stop gap” doesn’t normally involve a new ICE to go with the new EV powertrain. They have 4 banger options that they wouldn’t have to pour too much money into to create a true “stop gap” car. Thats my point here. Why the extra costs of a rotary engine development to go along with the extra costs of servicing said rotary engine, now the added bonus of an electric powertrain to deal with? Rotaries have never been known for long term durability  

     

    And “two mode” may be the wrong term here but they are trying the RAM playbook only RAM was smart enough to leave in an already existing powertrain as opposed to slapping in a totally new one. Again, the costs are going to be stratospheric here. 

  11. 7 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Different strokes. My sister liked her Edge until she killed it.  She wouldn't have wanted to go larger and ended up downsizing to a current-generation Terrain. Now she thinks the Terrain is the perfect size.

    I get it. The Edge wasn't bad, by any means. It's a little quicker and "nimbler" since it's smaller while using the same powertrain and tranny as the Flex but it falls short on the versatility/cargo front compared to the Flex. It is all about needs though so I get the size factor for some folks..

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  12. 15 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

     Was never in them back to back to notice. 

    I test drove a 2018 Edge back in 2021. Literally pulled up in the Flex (was checking it out for a friend). No bias here but the Flex is larger in every way, inside and out, and the longer wheelbase does make for a smoother ride. And yes @David, tons of rear seat legroom too. I like my box on wheels lol. 

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  13. 4 hours ago, daves87rs said:

    Dated yes, but you have to ride in one to understand why folks buy them. Much like the Ford Flex. They are a comfy ride to get you where you want to go. Used to enjoy the rides in my Aunt’s and a good buddy going places in them. It’s too bad they couldn’t do more with these. At least to me, they will be missed…..

    I will have to partially disagree here. The Edge rides okay but I driven several and they are not as comfy a ride as my Flex and it rides on 20” wheels, nevermind the size and cargo capacity difference. 

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