surreal1272

1 hour ago, G. David Felt said:

Yes Kia has plenty of Recalls and I would NOT recommend any ICE product from them.

Honda has also had plenty of recalls, but I would actually say more reliable than Toyota in the last Decade.

The Honda Prologue I made them aware of the issue when they bought this last weekend. Overall, they are very happy with it and understand that software updates are a thing that will happen as Honda has committed to have quarterly updates. 

We will see how it goes. Overall, still loving my EV9 and how solid it has been. Yes, a few weird glitches in the software, but the latest update from Kia seems to have fixed it.

See @ccap41 post about the number of EV9 recalls. Last I checked, they are not ICE. 
 

And data from the last ten years would suggest your opinion about Honda vs Toyota to be off as well. Doesn’t matter though. You made the post for one reason. To troll Toyota. 

Shall I provide a list of competing Kia recalls (including ones from MY OWN Kia Sorento) @G. David Felt? 

How about we start this instead? Hope you informed your friends about this on their Honda Prologue with the same "vigor" that you put out those recalls on the RVA 4.

https://hondanews.com/en-US/honda-corporate/releases/release-410d07897fdd63d8043cb72750086bf1-2024-honda-prologue-control-link-recall

22 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

Yet, still more reliable (overall) than more of the competition, which is easily verifiable btw but you have to get in your "once a month" Toyota dig I guess.

"Most" of the competition, not "more" Autocorrect lol.

13 hours ago, G. David Felt said:

Just be careful, the quality like many has issues if you buy used especially. I have a friend who whole family has been Toyota for generations and their extended family in Mongolia has been Toyota and lately they have had issues with their Rav4's. Just traded it in on a Honda Prologue. They were tired of the repairs.

Currently, there are recalls affecting certain 2024 Toyota RAV4 vehicles due to issues with brake caliper bolts that may not be properly tightened, posing a risk of brake failure.

Details of Current Recalls

1. 2024 Toyota RAV4 Recall:

• Issue: Some vehicles may have bolts that secure the front brake caliper and wheel hub bearing improperly tightened. This can lead to potential detachment of the brake caliper or front wheels, increasing the risk of a crash due to reduced braking performance or loss of vehicle control. 

   

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• Action: Toyota dealers will inspect and tighten the affected bolts free of charge. If any components are damaged, they will be replaced at no cost to the owner. Notifications to owners began in early February 2025. 

   

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2. Additional Recalls:

• 2013-2018 RAV4: A recall was issued for certain models due to battery issues that could lead to a short circuit and potential fire risk. This recall involved over 1.8 million vehicles and required replacement of the battery hold-down clamp and related components. 

   

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• 2020-2021 RAV4 Hybrid: There was also a recall related to airbag deployment issues, which required inspection and potential replacement of the Occupant Classification System sensor. 

   

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Yet, still more reliable (overall) than more of the competition, which is easily verifiable btw but you have to get in your "once a month" Toyota dig I guess.

On 6/13/2025 at 5:25 PM, ccap41 said:

I had a recall done yesterday on my Navigator. The recall was to eliminate the risk of something catching fire due to the under-mirror lighting. The fix was to simply unplug the lights and I lose the feature. 

This seems pretty ridiculous, right? Like, there wasn't an actual fix. I just lost something I paid for. 

I had a loaner new Escape for the day though. It was..uhhh...okay... 

What in the actual non-fixing F?

8 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Do you feel I need to disclose per photo or will just an addition and explanation of this type of modifications in our existing AI policy be sufficient? I might even put those photos above as the example in the policy.

My goal here is to be completely above board about AI on the site. I’m not against AI, but I am against AI for this type of creative opinion and editorializing. I don’t feel that touching up a photo in this manner violates that since the subject is an actual photo, but  I want to get the group’s opinion on it.

When it comes to photo editing, using AI is perfectly acceptable IMO. I do get what you’re saying about it though. There is a lot of gray area where AI is concerned and as an artist, I definitely have a certain stance regarding AI. However, your use of it for this purpose does not exist in that “gray area”. You are using it like any other tool on Photoshop so have at it. Announcing its use should not even be necessary here. Just my opinion though. 

4 hours ago, trinacriabob said:

@surreal1272

I'm guessing from the photos that the new vehicle is white, which is always a good choice for both heat and visibility.

I've seen some in that enamel pale gray (they might have called it dove gray in the past) and they really caught my eye.  (That color comes into style and goes, once being popular in Cadillac and Buick ... my dad had a Buick in that color with the tufted buttoned velour seats in the same color and long trips in it were a pleasure.) If I could have that, with a gray cloth interior, along with a 3.5 Pentastar V6, I would enjoy driving one.  

Not that I enjoy moving - I hate it - but the Chrysler vans can sure carry a lot of stuff with the seats down.

On the GM side of things, I sort of miss the now long gone Silhouette minivan by Olds over those of the other GM divisions.

Yep, white as snow lol but the pale gray looks really sharp too. A classic van color as well.

Some more pics. 

1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

Practicality got the best of ya... smart. 

So what made you go the minivan route?

Well, on top of being a Wagon nut, I have always had a soft spot for vans overall. The first 13 years of my life were spent riding around in my dad's 71' Chevy Sport 10 van (with a 3 on the tree) and so that has always stuck with me. As far as for doing this now, the space and versatility were big needs. I sold the Flex a few years ago (when the market was insane lol) and have been driving a 2014 Kia Sorento since then. I still have it but needed something bigger and more comfy for some future road trips so I started stopping out minivans. This is the Touring L model so it doesn't have all the bells and whistles but I only needed a few of each lol. It is a 2018 with 101K miles and was well taken care of. It spent its first 50K miles as a corporate lease so maintenance was always done. I had some concerns about the 9 speed but those fears were alleviated once I put my foot through the floorboard a few times to test it. Best of all, NO PAYMENTS> I finally got some long overdue money owed to me and pst of that to get this for $13K. Needless to say, I am a happy camper right now. 

1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

These have the most luxury comfort ride of all the minivans. 

It does ride well and I like that it rides on 17s instead of 18s or 19s. Softer ride on those. My best bud has the same year Limited model with the largest wheels and while his rides well, it is a little firmer on the bumps than this one. Again, pretty happy camper here.

13 minutes ago, trinacriabob said:

Of this genre, this are among the more attractive.  Nice. 

I wasn't real keen on them when they first came out but the look has aged well and my tastes have clearly changed as well lol.

My not quite new ride number 2…

11 hours ago, G. David Felt said:

Good Point, my 2006 Escalade ESV is 198.9 inches long, so round up to 199 inches

Ummm, what? How do you undershoot the measurement of YOUR OWN SUV by almost two feet in length? Exactly how drunk does one have to be to believe that a mid-size overdressed Camry is longer than an overdressed Suburban from 2006? Help it make sense.

10 hours ago, Paolino said:

Lexus, year after year, styles in ways that make me wonder how people are buying them. Each generation gets a little uglier. At one point I really liked their designs (although I tend to prefer conservative designs).

I'm not quite sure what's going on with the doors... is that like a combination of woodgrain and plastic? Different types of woodgrain? Like the exteriors, the interiors of this and the current generation lost me...

Agree. I've seen the higher trims of this (online, of course) and while the interior colors in those are better than what's pictured here, the overall look from the outside to the inside is a mix bag, at best. 

15 hours ago, G. David Felt said:

🤢 Kinda feel it has a Snowplow face that only a mother could love.

Terrible style imho

Your "honest" (while loving the look of the Kia van) opinion lol. Beauty is truly in the eye of the beholder.

No price yet but will probably be near $50K knowing VW. Hard pass.

7 hours ago, G. David Felt said:

the pictures are worse than the video.

9 times out of 10, whenever someone has to say the above, it is because it is (in fact) ugly. No amount of "seeing it in person" changes the bad angles on the back of the EV4. There is no design cohesion back there when you look at the rest of the car. It is just a mess and I will stand by that, whether seen here or in person. 

No car, especially its rear end, should give off "Aztek" vibes. That is just an eye sore on an otherwise well packaged EV.

4 hours ago, ccap41 said:

My guess is it may be the same size battery. 

After reading a separate article about it, you are correct in your guess. It is the same battery.

I wonder why they gave this model less range (and I'm guessing smaller battery) than the upcoming Solterra, even though it is clearly a larger model?

That face is "ugh" but the rest of it is much improved, in terms of battery range and charging speeds. Not the fastest out there but certainly faster than the current Solterra.

2 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Knock it off those who know who they are.

Fair enough but certain folks need to actually listen in regards to things like politics instead of doing whatever the hell they want and then later, claim that they are somehow a victim or that they were "bullied". There is a place for political talk and it is not on a car forum (unless it is directly related to the industry, of course).

15 hours ago, ccap41 said:

If you're referring to me. Just say so. 

Apparently victimhood cards are on sale again so I would not take such things very serious, given the source.

And let’s make sure we are telling the whole truth about recalls and who is getting hit the most @G. David Felt  

https://caredge.com/guides/automaker-with-the-most-recalls#Most_Vehicles_Recalled_in_2024_Ford_Tops_the_List

1 hour ago, G. David Felt said:

5 were physical recalls and the other were software based. 2 of the software-based recalls affected features that you have to pay a monthly subscription for which I do not need as I just do not see any need for self-parking, self-parallel parking.

100% missing the point there David. 

1 hour ago, G. David Felt said:

Looking at Toyota and electronics, their reliable rating has not been that great and of course as we all know they have had their fair share of frame issues

And still beating that near twenty year old dead horse I see. Congrats. 
 

Oh, and I missed one for the EV9

https://www.kbb.com/car-news/kia-recalls-ev9-over-loss-of-power/

16 hours ago, G. David Felt said:

Toyota is a quality-built product even though the recalls have been crazy high in the last decade.

Like you and many others have said before, regarding recalls. They are not the "be all, end all" in determining overall reliability of a brand, especially long term reliability. That is, of course, unless you think that Kia EV9s are also not reliable due to quite a few recalls in just two years. (7 by my count)

https://www.cars.com/research/kia-ev9/recalls/

On 3/9/2025 at 11:27 PM, G. David Felt said:

Days of cheap autos are over I fear due to incompetent leadership. I think the new era will see all types of autos be in the 35 to 45K range. I do think these are a bit expensive for a subcompact auto, but then if they have all the safety features, they talk about then there is the cost there that would help to justify cost.

@Drew Dowdell do you know if the NHTSA requires covers on those front wheels? I seem to see plenty of Jeeps Wranglers that really do not have covers there, so while I found conflicting info from a state standpoint, I have not been able to find any requirements for wheel coverings on the front wheels.

ALL Jeep Wranglers come out of the factory with bumpers and otherwise noticeable front end protection when compared to this. This truck faces the same issue as the original Plymouth Prowler. The concept model had no protection whatsoever in front of the wheels. Production models had to include small bumpers in front of them to meet US crash standards. That standard has not lessened since then. 

I actually dig this from a versatility perspective (obvious nod to the mid-gate like feature) while having such a literal small footprint. That front end will have to be altered due to having absolutely no front end protection before the front wheels. Aside from that, the design actually works. Lots of potential here if they can get the obvious bugs and kinks worked out but a great concept nonetheless. 

That price is a little steep too, I might add.