surreal1272

Mercedes fanboys: "Buick needs to keep real names for their totally new EVs" (paraphrasing, of course) Also Mercedes fanboys (after being given just a small list of meaningless letters and numbers meant to indicate the model of autos produced by Mercedes over just the last 15 years alone.): "Buick needs to keep real names for their totally new EVs" That's all I saw here. But David, they didn't even try.?

Shame the best looking Saab sold here was the last Saab sold here. It was the most modern take on the always quirky styling of those. They look super sharp in the darker gray shades.

The larger problem with the first two model years of those cars was a transmission overheating problem. The lines were too small for sufficient cooling. Supposedly they added a transmission cooler in the latter year models but by then it had a foot out the door here.

Dumb example since it was never intended for the kind of volume you are "demanding". It uses old tech (buy EV standards) and thus is cheaper to sell now, hence the increase there. That has ZERO connection to their Ultium products, which WILL TAKE TIME to get to higher volume sales due to the many reasons already given to you by multiple people here. Stop ignoring those facts in order to keep up this stupid crusade against a domestic make. It is just old and tiresome at this point.

Do you just deliberately go out of your way to ignore all valid counter points and just keep saying the same garbage until everyone thinks it’s actually true? Again, how many years did it take Tesla to reach that scale (with large government subsidies, I might add)? Don’t answer because we already know how long which is the key part of the counter argument you continue to ignore.

This and any overreaction to this is just that, overreaction. Fools who think this is a dead end road for GM have their own agendas backing their "opinions" and folks shouldn't be too concerned about those certain opinions.

Congrats on 100% missing the point there.

Came oh so close to buying one (a '94 model I believe) around 2001 but the transmission was slipping to the point of needing replacing and that was not a cheap fix at all. Was a neat little ride back then though and yes, the Delorean style windows were a selling point for me lol.

The last part shows why you are wrong. Somehow it never occurred to you that building the best quality EV was a better way to do business than selling in bulk right off the bat. Last I checked, it took Tesla almost a decade to manufacture at levels you see today and they STILL haven't gotten the quality down. Stop asking everyone else to do something else just because "that's enough volume" barely two years into the EV realm.

Looks at another thread and two pages of pissing matches over the use of a pick up (and subsequent irrelevancy) and thinks to himself...

Sometimes I just shake my head at the non-sense. As of 2/2022 Source:https://www.investors.com/etfs-and-funds/sectors/sp500-companies-stockpile-1-trillion-cash-investors-want-it/ But yeah, Elon, Elon, Elon.

I know all about conquest sales and also know that Cadillac badly needed a real halo car to get folks into their showrooms for their current and future EV offerings. That’s how you get those sales you want to see. How in the world can anyone fault them for that? Your first post was contradictory in nature hence my “reaction”.

And anyone with an ounce of common sense and eyes knows this.

And it's pretty ignorant to think that is what they would do in the first place. "Hey. I can't afford this $300K low volume hand built EV, so I am going to get this $50K gas powered car instead."...said NO potential EV buyer ever. The Lyriq is exactly where they hope to steer those folks, duh.

And you continually misread my intent but that is nothing new here so how about sticking to the subject of the thread instead of trying to make things personal while acting like you have a leg to stand on here? Besides, I would rather be seen as feisty than be seen as a troll. Take that however you want since you will do that any way.

All BS and obvious trolling by some aside, something like the Celestiq has been LONG overdue from Cadillac. The benefit of this is that the tech in the Celestiq will probably triple down to other future products like the inevitable Escalade EV on down. This is nothing but a win for GM and Cadillac if all the pieces fall together for them.

Again, misreading what I said. Me calling him out on his constant lies (much like you did with Olds not too long ago) has jack squat to do with being "internet police" (which no different than how you have responded to him here). Stop the act because you know exactly what I am talking about.

Don’t misread what I am saying. I am perfectly calm. I’m also not letting the Benz fanboy slide with his endless bull$h! any longer.

Screw “thinking” it’s not the same. It is factually not the same. It’s just pure trolling on his part and he knows it.

So your car and its four zone climate control is nothing like what’s in the Caddy. Save the trolling remark next time and just admit you were trolling to begin with. Also helps to admit you don’t know what you’re talking about here but I don’t expect a Benz fan to admit to anything that may be a positive for a GM product.

@smk4565--Show us on your 15 year old Mercedes where it has the following in regards to your "4 zone climate control" (since you somehow think it is that simple). Advanced Climate System: CELESTIQ is the first vehicle to feature a Gentherm ClimateSense® four-zone microclimate system as standard equipment. It features 33 unique microclimate devices that allow each occupant to tailor their seat heating and cooling, along with advanced airflow technology that creates truly individualized comfort. All four-seating positions will feature the same level of individualized comfort, including a neck scarf, heated armrests as well as heated, cooled and ventilated seats. The system can also significantly reduce HVAC energy consumption.

You have smoked yourself Mercedes fanboy retarded if you think what is in your Benz and what's in the Caddy are the same damn thing. Whitewash and delude the Caddy all you want but the fanboy envy is obvious here when you keep spouting nonsense like the climate control features being the same as your 15 year old Benz and everything else you have been incorrect over in this thread. Save it. Seriously. No one is buying what you're trying to sell here. And I'm sure that you know better than these multi-billion dollar companies lol. What are your car manufacturing credentials again?

It is also just a two door vs a four door and skip the fact that while those materials are typical Rolls expensive and high quality, it is also a visual mess in there and front pieces of the dash actually look hodge podge like in their design. No flow at all. I mean, on first glance, it doesn't even look like a $400K car much less a Rolls IMO. The Caddy may have a questionable look to the rear 3 quarters but that will vary person to person and owners will spend more time inside these cars looking at the interior, which again, does Rolls no favors at first glance.

Which is the ONLY reason why he thinks 800V is a waste. Not because of lack of 800V chargers but because his favorite doesn't even have it. "The best or...not the best by Mercedes Benz". That is why there will no further engagement with him by me.

He literally ignores everything like the 3D printing options because it doesn’t do anything for him, like that matters at all. Stop indulging the Mercedes fan who will never admit that Cadillac might just be upping their game to the point that it could possibly (already has in the EV world) leapfrog his precious German handlers. Just a complete waste of space at this point. Everyone who is not a complete Benz fanboy recognizes what’s going on here. For F sake, he even talks about the need for physical buttons and preferring the S Class for that reason yet…find the buttons in this S-Class interior. It’s the same $h! in a different form factor from the hyper screen equipped models from Benz and not a button to be found. Again, his validation here is not needed when he can’t even keep his “needs” straight.