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The last part shows why you are wrong. Somehow it never occurred to you that building the best quality EV was a better way to do business than selling in bulk right off the bat. Last I checked, it took Tesla almost a decade to manufacture at levels you see today and they STILL haven't gotten the quality down. Stop asking everyone else to do something else just because "that's enough volume" barely two years into the EV realm.

Looks at another thread and two pages of pissing matches over the use of a pick up (and subsequent irrelevancy) and thinks to himself...

Sometimes I just shake my head at the non-sense. As of 2/2022 Source:https://www.investors.com/etfs-and-funds/sectors/sp500-companies-stockpile-1-trillion-cash-investors-want-it/ But yeah, Elon, Elon, Elon.

I know all about conquest sales and also know that Cadillac badly needed a real halo car to get folks into their showrooms for their current and future EV offerings. That’s how you get those sales you want to see. How in the world can anyone fault them for that? Your first post was contradictory in nature hence my “reaction”.

And anyone with an ounce of common sense and eyes knows this.

And it's pretty ignorant to think that is what they would do in the first place. "Hey. I can't afford this $300K low volume hand built EV, so I am going to get this $50K gas powered car instead."...said NO potential EV buyer ever. The Lyriq is exactly where they hope to steer those folks, duh.

And you continually misread my intent but that is nothing new here so how about sticking to the subject of the thread instead of trying to make things personal while acting like you have a leg to stand on here? Besides, I would rather be seen as feisty than be seen as a troll. Take that however you want since you will do that any way.

All BS and obvious trolling by some aside, something like the Celestiq has been LONG overdue from Cadillac. The benefit of this is that the tech in the Celestiq will probably triple down to other future products like the inevitable Escalade EV on down. This is nothing but a win for GM and Cadillac if all the pieces fall together for them.

Again, misreading what I said. Me calling him out on his constant lies (much like you did with Olds not too long ago) has jack squat to do with being "internet police" (which no different than how you have responded to him here). Stop the act because you know exactly what I am talking about.

Don’t misread what I am saying. I am perfectly calm. I’m also not letting the Benz fanboy slide with his endless bull$h! any longer.

Screw “thinking” it’s not the same. It is factually not the same. It’s just pure trolling on his part and he knows it.

So your car and its four zone climate control is nothing like what’s in the Caddy. Save the trolling remark next time and just admit you were trolling to begin with. Also helps to admit you don’t know what you’re talking about here but I don’t expect a Benz fan to admit to anything that may be a positive for a GM product.

@smk4565--Show us on your 15 year old Mercedes where it has the following in regards to your "4 zone climate control" (since you somehow think it is that simple). Advanced Climate System: CELESTIQ is the first vehicle to feature a Gentherm ClimateSense® four-zone microclimate system as standard equipment. It features 33 unique microclimate devices that allow each occupant to tailor their seat heating and cooling, along with advanced airflow technology that creates truly individualized comfort. All four-seating positions will feature the same level of individualized comfort, including a neck scarf, heated armrests as well as heated, cooled and ventilated seats. The system can also significantly reduce HVAC energy consumption.

You have smoked yourself Mercedes fanboy retarded if you think what is in your Benz and what's in the Caddy are the same damn thing. Whitewash and delude the Caddy all you want but the fanboy envy is obvious here when you keep spouting nonsense like the climate control features being the same as your 15 year old Benz and everything else you have been incorrect over in this thread. Save it. Seriously. No one is buying what you're trying to sell here. And I'm sure that you know better than these multi-billion dollar companies lol. What are your car manufacturing credentials again?

It is also just a two door vs a four door and skip the fact that while those materials are typical Rolls expensive and high quality, it is also a visual mess in there and front pieces of the dash actually look hodge podge like in their design. No flow at all. I mean, on first glance, it doesn't even look like a $400K car much less a Rolls IMO. The Caddy may have a questionable look to the rear 3 quarters but that will vary person to person and owners will spend more time inside these cars looking at the interior, which again, does Rolls no favors at first glance.

Which is the ONLY reason why he thinks 800V is a waste. Not because of lack of 800V chargers but because his favorite doesn't even have it. "The best or...not the best by Mercedes Benz". That is why there will no further engagement with him by me.

He literally ignores everything like the 3D printing options because it doesn’t do anything for him, like that matters at all. Stop indulging the Mercedes fan who will never admit that Cadillac might just be upping their game to the point that it could possibly (already has in the EV world) leapfrog his precious German handlers. Just a complete waste of space at this point. Everyone who is not a complete Benz fanboy recognizes what’s going on here. For F sake, he even talks about the need for physical buttons and preferring the S Class for that reason yet…find the buttons in this S-Class interior. It’s the same $h! in a different form factor from the hyper screen equipped models from Benz and not a button to be found. Again, his validation here is not needed when he can’t even keep his “needs” straight.

The Rolls is “only” sporting 320 miles of range. Neither car is being sold with “top range” in mind nor does it matter anyway for reasons that have been discussed aplenty here. Range bitching on these types of cars is like bitching about MPGs on the ICE equivalent of a $300K car. It doesn’t exist to actual buyers.

Love it but "Pretty much everything on this car exists already and there are other EV’s with more power and more range." -SMK Sorry. Couldn't resist one little jab at the obvious lol.

The Lyriq and Escalade both start north of $50K so that's a lie as well (and the XT6 sniffs within $10 of $50K here so that base price is location dependent. Lets not forget @smk4565, I am not denying where Cadillac plays here but this discussion wasn't about whether or not Cadillac sells a bunch of sub-$50K cars. It was whether Benz does and how much they rely upon those sales. See how that works? No deflection. No goalpost moving. Just sticking to the damn subject. Try it sometime.

D-E-F-L-E-C-T-I-O-N And I'm sure that had ZRO to do with the fact that the CLA (which is one foot in the grave anyway) a A-Class are complete failures. Again, see the C-Class (which starts at $39K) as an example of sub-$50K sales that keep the lights on for Benz. Why else dabble in the sub-$50K pool to begin with if you are "luxury" or the "best or nothing" right?

Funny how you circled some and not others. The C-Class, GLB, and GLC all start under $50 (with the GLB AND GLC starting under $40K) and those are three of MBs biggest sellers right there so thanks for proving my point yet again. You can't sit here and claim they are an all encompassing brand and then selectively ignore the models responsible for the bulk of their sales, which clearly show as many under $50K as there are over $50K. I believe you just answered your own question.

They cater to a much larger sub-$50K audience (by a LOOOONG shot). Think about that before saying they are only playing one card here. You pretty much made @David 's point about volume.

And I'd say that you are comparing gas powered apples to EV powered oranges, never mind the obvious cherry picking but since you want to go there... ...for the thousandth time, the Tesla Model S is classified as FULL SIZE/Executive Luxury car and IS DIRECT COMPETITOR TO THE S-CLASS, no matter how many times you talk about exterior dimensions between it and the S-Class, thus outselling the EQS and S-Class combined. Furthermore, your claims about volume and luxury clearly did not get sent to Tesla as they seem to be doing both, selling luxury and in volume. Maybe you should just consider putting wheels on that goalpost next time. Would save a whole lot of work, what it moving it around so much.

Umm, you started it. Yet, you still haven't supplied that source link because...