surreal1272

It astounds me that the pro-Musk folks tout all these “positives” while ignoring the many negatives and potential pitfalls facing Tesla (potential mass layoffs, routinely at the bottom of every reliability and quality study and survey, and his stupid Twitter feud for starters, all of which will jeopardize any future success). Just wash, rinse, repeat with the same “but Tesla/Musk are (insert random superlative)” nonsense.

Agreed. A lot of junk ones out there these days.

Just giving you a little s*** lol. I’ve seen some around here that are just beyond the pale in their outlandishness.

Hold up now! I take slight issue with that. My old '06 Magnum (with no disco ball and nothing "ghettoish" about it))...

You missed the bigger point which was your bar moving yet again. You went one way and as soon as you were presented with a factual counter, you moved the bar and upped the number without regard to geography. I would be more mad that the new kid on the luxury block is getting noticed as much as the Germans as of late, but hey, I'm not the one looking for constant one brand validation just because I happen to own the brand in question.

So now it’s “Genesis will never make…” a $200K car instead of your earlier “Genesis doesn’t even make a $100K” car? Which is it? Maybe the lesson here is to just admit that you were wrong about the $100K part and just move on instead of constantly trying to protect Mercedes like they sign your paycheck every week.

So just ignore the LITERAL writing on the wall, the threat of layoffs, and the obvious supply chain disruption that is going on RIGHT NOW. Only the past matters here, as far as you're concerned. That makes perfect sense when you don't want to admit that you might be wrong.

You obviously haven't kept up with their recent issues. https://qz.com/2157289/supply-chain-challenges-finally-caught-up-to-tesla/

Two things: You keep saying that like it means anything yet at least one of those “fancy Fords”, competes very well against Benz (Navigator) and another (Aviator) isn’t a slouch against them either but you wouldn’t acknowledge that anyway. And this wasn’t about Lincoln in the first place. It was about Genesis being preferred over the likes of your precious Mercedes Benz. Your constant need to deflect from anything negative about them is obvious and quite frankly, old. Point being, you have been burned for your rather pathetic stance on Cadillac and Lincoln and their platform sharing so unless you just like visiting the burn unit, maybe you should argue on merits instead of fanboy snobbery. Your owning a now 14 year Benz does nothing to help you here.

The Aviator CUV is rear wheel drive and that is a dumb argument anyway given the FWD appliances in the Benz stable.

So basically you’re just repeating what I just said. Thanks lol.

They had loyalty because they had no competition for years. That is no longer the case. Come back and talk to us about that loyalty in three or four years.

I would expect about the same as the entry Ioniq 5 since it is a similar battery set up and size vehicle.

The even odder part of this is the fact that it uses the excite opposite design language of the Ioniq 5. Not sure what the design language end game for Hyundai is here but you have the same line of EVs where one looks nothing like the other. That being said, I would take the Ioniq 5 over this or most other Eve, for that matter. Something about it just "clicks" for me other than the price tag lol.

The exterior is a bit of a mess. The profile looks like an Audi TT but with four doors and the front and rear can’t make up their minds what they are trying to be. The interior is nice and has a clean look to it though and of course, that super fast charging is a huge plus.

And I think the bigger point was missed there Olds. Yes, most cars require some head ducking to get in them. However, there are clear limitations to that and one should not have to duck but so far to get in these same cars or trucks (I will cite the current Camaro as an example of being one those cars).

No offense but that is a load of exaggerated horseshyte. I’m 5’10” and have never had any issues getting into any full size truck or SUV and that is without having to duck my head at all. I could bump my head, sure, but only if I jump up directly into the upper door jam lol.

Prior to this, three posts from me on the subject with over a half dozen each from you and him but whatever you say there Olds. I have literally said it was not a big deal and there is literally nothing defensive about that.

I am wondering where the X gets 30 extra cubic feet myself being that it’s basic dimensions are similar to the Lyriq. Something literally doesn’t add up.

A whole page of “it’s not really a big deal”. mmmkay folks. Hello? Please read my entire post regarding useful space and why some EVs need the frunk and some don’t. The Vette part isn’t even worth a response because you have misread that too. But hey, it’s not a big deal lol.

While folks are trying to bring up the Model X, it should be noted it also starts at TWICE the starting price of the Lyriq. Something about comparing apples to apples comes to mind here. The Model X also has next to NO cargo space if you are utilizing ALL three rows of seating. Your going to need that frunk if you are carrying seven in that thing. And, about the Mach-E, they wasted the frunk space in it completely.

It is a huge shrug. The competition, Audi E-Tron and Jaguar I-Pace have 2.12 and 0.95 of cubic space in their frunk respectively while having LESS overall cargo room with all the seats down. Sorry but they are not losing much on the frunk when you see this paltry numbers from the competition. What is going to go in that small frank that can't just go inside the car to begin with? Frunks are far more useful for the pick-up crowd IMO. The Vette needed all the extra storage space it could get whereas the Lyriq is not suffering at all for lacking due to having far more cargo room inside.

Happiest of Birthdays to you @Robert Hall!

I am just going to say this. For all of my various physical issues over the years, one of them is not my immune system. It has been like a tank and has kept me from getting sicker than most folks over the decades (have never had Strep, for example). Having said that, I still got both of my Moderna shots and then a booster six months later. Why? Because I am not just thinking of myself here. I am thinking of the people around me like my GF and her autoimmune issues. Just saying.

I must of missed that part a while back. That is a full "just sit this one out" moment, if you ask me.