surreal1272

I'll openly admit I down vote people who say super douchy $h! and there's just no debating with some people so they get a little click of "you're a douche" and I go on with my day. For the most part that's how I use it. I don't "down vote" I say "you're being a douche". When I disagree with somebody I usually just type something up on why I think one thing or another and they do the same, agreeing or disagreeing. 

Not referring to you. There are some who don't even post here anymore that just pop in to see what they can down vote and then they are gone. No comments, no posts, no contributions to this site whatsoever other than to troll posts of people they don't like. They use that one down vote for the day and POOF, they are gone again. That is what I am talking about. 

Well..crazy idea.

 

The Oshawa plant that used to build the Zeta Camaro...could now be used to build the Chevrolet SS? 

The Zeta platform need not go away...

 

If FCA is willing to sell a decade old LX platform...and still sell tons of them and make modest profits with it...GM could use a decade old platform too and sell some of them, and make a small profit as well...

Very interesting debate and while I have to agree with Hyper on his thinking, I do also wonder why someone would down vote without explanation or defending their down vote.

 

I personally wish the down and up vote would require you to have to post why you are voting that way. This way you cannot just play troll but have to take part in the discussion and debate / defend your position so others can better understand.

 

It is the democratic way of being transparent and saying I agree or disagree with you and this is why.

People vote down because they are children. Just do away with it altogether and get rid of the last of those children.

2014 Cadillac CTS-V Wagon

2007 Dodge Magnum SRT8

2014 Ford Raptor (because you need a big ole off road machine)

2016 Cadillac Escalade (for when I don't need the big ole truck)

2016 Lamborghini Aventador LP700-4 (for evenings with the mistress)

How are they still in business? Seriously.

I actually like the look of the S90. Very sharp and doesn't convey a "cookie cutter" look like so many others do. Very nice.

 

 

The Model S outsold the CTS and XTS too.   But the Model S was the only Tesla on sale, and there isn't another pure EV in that segment either.  Once Tesla has 3-4 models to spread the sales around, and others start to sell pure EV luxury cars, we'll see if the Model S sales hold up.  

Well, as long as you have yet another excuse for Mercedes. 

 

It isn't an excuse, Tesla sold 25,000 Model S in the USA in 2015.  That is a good number for a $100,000 car, but there aren't any other pure EVs anywhere near that price range, and Tesla as a company had one model.  The the Leaf was the only $30,000 EV and the Volt, i3 and Ford EVs didn't exist, Leaf sales would triple.   

 

People like to say how the Model S outsells the S-class, that means it outsells many other cars too.  The Model S outsells the XJ, A8, 7-series and Quattroporte combined.  The big difference is the Model S doesn't make any profit, the S-class does.

 

No. You are missing the point here SMK. You're still making excuses and following them up with half truths (like the Tesla S not making a profit). Thanks for playing though.

Good lord people. Did everyone just have a big ole bag of bitchy flakes the other day?

 

People can charge at home.  The only place you really need the charging stations is on turnpikes, interstate rest stops, and the sort of places that are along long haul driving routes that aren't near a city.   The people that are afraid of electric cars act like there aren't electric outlets all over the place.   I don't see people freaking out needed a gas powered battery extender for their phones.  They just plug it in and charge it at night and use it all day, and charge it the next night.  If you travel on vacation for a week, you take your charger with you.  The car will be no different.

I honestly don't know but I doubt you can just park next to any random building and just plug your car into their outlet. I know if I was the business owner I wouldn't allow that unless they were buying products or services. So yes, there are outlets EVERYWHERE but you can't just use one owned by somebody else.

 

More and more places (like here in the Phoenix area) have charging stations set up there (mostly large shopping areas and shopping centers, which makes sense). Folks are shopping there anyway, and it makes for a nice incentive for a EV driver to shop in those places. Great marketing if you ask me. More of that is coming too.

The Model S outsold the CTS and XTS too.   But the Model S was the only Tesla on sale, and there isn't another pure EV in that segment either.  Once Tesla has 3-4 models to spread the sales around, and others start to sell pure EV luxury cars, we'll see if the Model S sales hold up.  

Well, as long as you have yet another excuse for Mercedes. 

 

 

And Cadillac can't beat them why?  

Pssst!! Cadillac is NOT, repeat: NOT racing mercedes to sell millions upon millions of vehicles in every price class.

 

How about just 1 car over $100,000?

 

Just stop.

 

 

And Cadillac can't beat them why?  

Pssst!! Cadillac is NOT, repeat: NOT racing mercedes to sell millions upon millions of vehicles in every price class.

 

How about just 1 car over $100,000?

 

Pick and argument and stick with it. You first claim it's about sales and now it's about "exclusive models". Let's go back to "sales" shall we? Cadillac will not pass Mercedes in sales nor to do they have to. Not every luxury make needs to pad their sales with boxy vans, B cars, and platform sharing pick ups (hello Nissan).

The cost probably isn't that high to do what Mercedes is doing. The C, GLC, GLC coupe, E-class and soon CLS all ride on the same MRA platform, the 2 liter 4 and 3.0 V6 and 4.0 V8 are used in all (or will be soon). They all have the same transmission.

So the cost is just in body styles, it no different than ATS, CTS, Camaro. If Mercedes is going to make a c-class coupe and convertible, making a coupe body style on a crossover probably makes sense.

So they are just doing putting out the same cars with different skins. Sounds about right.

For some odd reason, I actually like this car. Would look interesting in a sportback configuration (wishful thinking I know) but a nice looking car nonetheless (and obvious homage to BMW not withstanding).

Seeing some similarities to this but nice nonetheless.

"Hello? Toyota?" 

"Yes." 

"The Aztek would like it's ugly back now"

Not putting too much stock in to this because about 60-70% of this will never see production. Interesting concept but a concept nonetheless. The Conti nose does not work on this at all and the profile of it looks like a stretched Range Rover. Just not feeling the outside of this at all.

I like it.... that said, yay for bringing back steering wheel design from the 1960s.

That steering wheel thing looks huge!

 

Why does everyone always think that a CUV is what the wife/partner/better half should get?

 

I would bring back waterhoarding. And I'd bring back coupes only too.

I think all CUV/SUV should have a 10% tax on them.  That money should go to pay for better roads so those of us that buy performance cars have better roads to drive on.

 

So have the majority of folks pay for roads for the mere fraction of a minority of folks in this country? Not sure if you are joking or not but if so, it's just not a very good one. If you're not joking, well...

Thanks everyone for replying to my thread!

Always happy to burn down a pure trolling thread. 

I don't understand the words that are coming out of your mouth, sir. 

 

Consumer Reports is warning ppl to stay away from unreliable electrics as used cars.  The Volt and Prius are not on the warning list.

 

I've been told over and over that "simple, superior" electrics are better vehicles.  Clearly, that notion is dashed by this report.

 

And not one of C&G's rabid supporters of electric propulsion has come in here to say a word. 

What was that? You said no one has said a word? Hmmm...how's that working out for you now?

Worst troll bait thread in a long time (and that is saying something).

I don't understand the words that are coming out of your mouth, sir. 

 

Consumer Reports is warning ppl to stay away from unreliable electrics as used cars.  The Volt and Prius are not on the warning list.

 

I've been told over and over that "simple, superior" electrics are better vehicles.  Clearly, that notion is dashed by this report.

 

And not one of C&G's rabid supporters of electric propulsion has come in here to say a word. 

And do you believe everything that comes out of Consumer Reports?

This talk about what type of person bought a Caddy back then is missing one key piece of information. When one says that the "common man" was driving Caddy's back then, even though they were quite expensive, thus deluding their brand (what is Implied anyway), one must remember that you still have folks today buying cars, like BMWs, Benz, and Audis, that they cannot afford technically. Have those brands been deluded because of that? No. Neither was Cadillac. They lost their mojo in the late 70s all the into the 90's because of $h!ty GM management. It's not exactly news.

Just sounds like they got a lemon to me, especially if they only used one car for the test. It would seem to make more sense to rule such a thing out first but the article does not give any specifics to this, so who knows.

 

1.) 2014 Cadillac CTS Wagon 3.6L

2.) 1987 Buick Gran National GNX 3.8L TT V6

3.) 1995 Toyota Supra 3.0L (all stock please)

4.) 2016 GMC Canyon 3.6L V6 (Got to have a good truck in the mix right?)

5.) 2016 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S 3.0L (will always love the look, don't care what anyone thinks)

Great choice with the stock Supra!   Oh and of course the Grand National.. but that one is a little more obvious. 

 

True on the GNX but it is literally the only GM car I would have form the 80's. I remember when it first came out and the fear it put into GMs own cars (Vette anyone?). It was and still is the ultimate sleeper car (in the historical sense anyway).