El Kabong

Meh. Troll handle kid is upset. Let him act out. As a Ford fan in this segment right now I can understand why he might.

That's pretty good, actually

Really though, all this drama over all these variants of the Mustang can be traced back to two root causes: -GM has an advanced RWD platform to utilize from Cadillac, while Ford doesn't have one from Lincoln. -GM has invested much money and effort into mass-market V8s, while Ford has not. It is the height of delusion for some to think that GM's massive advantages in both fields would not eventually bear fruit in a segment that values them. What I think has shocked some is just how expensive it is for a company to try to recoup those losses once they have been allowed to dissipate. But them's the breaks. GM guys and girls have long known that this day would come. And now that it's here, it's time to raise a glass to wise investment, hard work, and reinventing the segment in GM's image. Whats a mike drop? Are you meaning " mic ", as in microphone? As I drop the mic... I accept your surrender

You're missing my point entirely. At this juncture I'm not even sure there NEEDS to be a 1LE. *mike drop*

Once again: I have posted braking, acceleration, and lateral g numbers, including the figure eight times. NONE OF THEM are a noticeable improvement over an SS. Resale value? No idea. It would be instructive to see how the old GT500 is holding up versus the ZL1 I suppose. But if you go down that road with your argument you run into the same wall you're trying to put up for me: this is a road racer, not a museum piece. And even in its current form the run-of-the-mill SS is WAY too close for comfort if I'm a potential Shelby buyer.

It'll look like a Manhattan taxi

Guys. Seriously. If this car was called the Mustang GT and priced accordingly, it would get an unabashed thumbs-up from me. Really, it would. An 8400rpm screamer that pulls 1g for high thirties? You might even get this GM guy to sign up. BUT... Ccap in particular has already gone on record as saying that the current SS is too darn expensive for what you get. And now we are supposed to excuse this Shelby twenty thousand dollars because it sounds nice? In the immortal words of Jon Pinette: I say, nay nay. At thirty-odd grand: awesome car. Mid to high fifties? Not so much. And to think that we're not even talking about a 1LE version of the SS!...

The Shelby won't necessarily win in a standing start or highway pull because as the vid alluded to, the 5.2 is a peaky engine. One missed shift, one roll in a too-tall gear, or one gagged clutch drop and it's all over-the SS will walk. If you want to go street racing, that's your problem. At legal speeds (0-60) the Camaro will consistently edge it. This car is just another example of Ford trying to be different without being noticeably better. And at an eye-watering price premium. The GT500? Now I KNOW you're just trying to make the trolls twitch

Based on the looks of lower-end ATS and CTS models I've seen I don't think it'll be that bad. But I'm with Surreal on the drivelines-a NA V6 with AWD in Platinum trim would be plenty for this kind of car, for me at least.

117.8. The fastest trap time for SS so far has been 116. Like I said man: not much to pick from. And I don't care what the engine sounds like: it ain't worth 20 large all by itself.

For the car you're getting, that's insanely cheap. I get that the CT8 will eventually be the flagship, but this thing is already the size of a SWB German sedan. I might have tried the old "starting at $59,999" trick myself.

This, according to Carr and Driver. Link here: http://blog.caranddriver.com/2016-cadillac-ct6-priced-caddys-de-facto-flagship-actually-not-all-that-expensive/ Sounds like they're going for the throat with the Korean sedans and the Continental. The engineering alone could command another 10 grand if they so desired.

...and the worst part from a Ford fan's perspective is that while it does indeed match the SS performance-wise, that price single-handedly precludes it from being the segment king. So... The Camaro SS is still the target for smaller pony cars.

Look. I get that this car has a great-sounding engine that revs to the moon. But if I fell for the sales pitch, bought one of those things, and then found out I couldn't outrun a Camaro that cost twenty grand LESS? Full-on meltdown. Seriously. What is Ford thinking????

I just caught the quarter-mile time- 12.4. But the price. Fifty-seven thousand dollars. What. The. EFF

...and at last, Ford has a car that will match the Camaro SS. But according to MT's numbers, that's it-its basically a dead heat. Here's the link to the video, and a few of the pertinent stats... except for price. I'll dig for that one a but more: 0-60=4.1 seconds Braking 60-0=102 feet Lateral acceleration=1.00 G MT Figure [email protected] Curb Weight=3,781 "I know I'm a lot of feathers for that much chicken." -Kim Mitchell

It lost a little something in the transition from concept to production, didn't it?

Being a westerner I'm supposed to dump on Toronto but give em credit for having a pretty good downtown these days. When I was down this summer there was so much new stuff downtown I couldn't believe it. Condos, hotels, attractions-you name it.

To be fair, I've never been to the Montreal show so I don't know all the ins and outs of it. But for me CIAS isn't even about the new stuff so much as it is about some of the vintage stuff they dig up. I've seen some absolutely crazy stuff at CIAS. I wish I had all my pics in front of me but the one that springs to mind first and foremost is the Phantom Corsair. I never even heard of that thing till it arrived in Toronto. I think the Maybach Exelero made an appearance too. And the vintage Italian stuff!... If you have to see the latest and greatest then I guess you have to go to Cobo in Detroit. But you could do a lot worse than CIAS.

E-town actually does a pretty good show for the size of the city. They also have an auction at the same time where you can get almost anything you can imagine up to 100 grand or so. I've seen Jensen Interceptors, old Detroit iron, turbo Bentleys... anything goes. But CIAS in Toronto is pretty special. I may be flying down to it this year (well, that and some other stuff... Leafs game, maybe the Raps).

...and a couple of my old ride.

I fell in love with this one when I saw it in Edmonton.

ROFL!

It's a bit of a backhanded compliment, blu... but compared to some of the thought processes I've read in here lately it's Einstein-level stuff

LOL@slow reaction time. Bottom line: this recall is a bit frustrating. But hardly the end of the world. Dragging the subject all willy-nilly is just bad for bandwidth. Good lulz tho